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Downloading, etc.

Posted over 5 years ago
First off, I'd like to officially announce that the new Windows Media Player can kiss my ass, tyvm. (had to get that out of my system)I just got a link to a pretty good article about the Dresden Dolls : http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6885355I think it really shows a good example of why downloading music is/can be bad. Now I won't try and play innocent, I've downloaded music before. However, I'll also add that a good percentage of the CDs I've downloaded have been CDs I've owned before. After you lose most of your CD collection, replace 90% of it, and then have it all stolen again, I think it's understandable if you don't want to pay out for round three. Also, I refuse to pay for a full CD whenever I want/need to hear a song just once (and in a week or so I wonder why I even wanted to hear it in the first place). But seriously, I can't emphasize enough how important it is to support the bands/musicians you love. Sure, you might download the album because you just don't have the money that week or whatever, but how many other people out there are doing the same? And then once it's on their computers or whatever, how many of those people will actually go out and buy the album anyways? My guess is, not many. Not enough at least. Believe it or not, some bands actually do need the money ;) And if you're not going to buy a cd, maybe buy a t-shirt, concert ticket, or something that will put a little extra money in their pockets. :DWhy am I on a little "support the bands" tirade? Well.. I don't remember specifically where/when but a little while back I was reading a conversation somewhere (probably livejournal) and someone made a smart ass comment about bands not needing money, so downloading was okay. It kinda pissed me off a bit, and after seeing this article, I had to vent somewhere ;) (especially since I've already forgotten who said that and where they said it, so I can't direct it at them..)
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  1. MrFrost
    MrFrost says someone posted that article about an hour ago.. check it out here http://mog.com/Truth/blog_post/39608
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  2. sage1979
    sage1979 says Thanks for the link
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  3. ROCKNROLLPIMP1
    ROCKNROLLPIMP1 says I AM PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER 1 CAUSE OF THIS! LOL http://kdcrawford8.multiply.com/
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  4. lemontwist
    lemontwist says I totally agree. Though I wouldn't be able to afford music if it weren't for downloads, I go to as many shows as geography and my ever dwindling resources of cash will allow (ain't my fault if none of the bands come to the capital of NY). And I buy merch. I know that once I get a job and have money to spend, my supporting of bands will increase. But I'll still download music (but probably more through iTunes if I can) because I'm an MP3 and vinyl person. I find no need for CDs.
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  5. sage1979
    sage1979 says for shame Mister KC :P And actually, I'm sure there are far worse than you out there. *nod* Damn.. you're gonna make me have to join that site aren't you? lol
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  6. Ruefus
    Ruefus says On another forum I frequent, a discussion about the ethics of downloading brought out a lot of opinions. The bottom line is that downloading music you didn't pay for is unethical and most time illegal (Canada apparently excluded). It was agreed by most that those that tout "The bands don't need it/don't get it/should tour and sell merch" use those excuses as rationalization and justification. They refuse to admit that what they're doing - by any rational definition - is wrong. The paradigm in how we access music has shifted. The industry has yet to catch up - but it most certainly will. And Windows Media Player most certainly IS teh suk. So is IE7. Bad imitations of good products.
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  7. sage1979
    sage1979 says Lemontwist, you should check out my husband's MOG. (he's the first guy listed in my trusted mogs) I'm pretty sure he's got a link to a super cheap mp3 site. Definitely worth checking out. :) And yes, I still buy merch when I can. (so long as the merch is worthy.. a $30 shirt that's going to shrink two sizes as soon as I wash it? not worthy) We've got tons of CD's but after so many CD's being stolen from our cars, we just decided to make mix cds to take out with us. Inside the house, we both have loud speakers hooked up to our computers, so CD's arent' really necessary here either. And woah, seriously you'd think more bands would go to the capital of NY. What's up with that?? O.o Meh, I guess it's like bands touring around here. They end up everywhere but Indianapolis and our car is currently a death trap, so.. no shows for us till they either come to Indy or we get a car that can (safely) go outside Indy.
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  8. Ruefus
    Ruefus says BTW - I'm also no goody-two-shoes. I have downloaded and still have some illegal stuff on my HD. I've resolved to stop doing it.....but strangely enough, it can be tough.
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  9. sage1979
    sage1979 says Ruefus- I think you're absolutely right. "The bands don't need it" is probably what gets me riled up more often than not. It's not cheap to do what they do and people fail to realize that a lot of stuff comes out of their own pockets. They don't need to put out a new album, but they want to and their fans want them to, but that's not going to happen if no one's making money. I'll admit, I'm not happy about downloading CDs that have been stolen. But it's also pretty painful to look at a CD and think "in total I've paid almost $40 for this..." I think the music industry will catch up eventually, it's just going to take some time and they need to pull their heads out of their asses (the record industry that is). OHHHH don't get me started on IE7. I went through hell trying to get it. Got it. and now I wish I could go back to the old one. And if Media Player keeps it up, I'm going to feel the same way towards it. IE7 is definitely a bad imitation, but media player is really all I know. What are they imitating with it? (yeah so I can get it lol)
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  10. sage1979
    sage1979 says heh.. yes it can be tough to not do it. I totally agree with you there.
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  11. Ruefus
    Ruefus says For me - iTunes works MUCH better, and you don't HAVE to have an iPod to make use of it. YMMV - but iTunes doesn't have me shouting at the monitor on a regular basis. The thought I have on 'Where the industry will go' assumes a ubiquitous internet. Eventually - you will no longer download. You will stream from every device - car, home, portable.....wherever. If you get the new album from, say, Rush - you'll be granted a life-license to listen to that music. Napster and Yahoo! Unlimited have started it, to a degree - but you still download and have to deal with DRM. The CD will eventually go by-by and you'll lose the ability to physically touch your music. That's my thought, anyway.
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  12. ROCKNROLLPIMP1
    ROCKNROLLPIMP1 says been trying to get you over there AND there is a private mogsters group as well :)
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  13. sage1979
    sage1979 says My husband has iTunes and I never bothered to download it or figure it out. He got it to download songs when Mt Dew (I think it was) was giving away free songs through iTunes. I may have to start checking it out though. Shouting is an understatement with me and Media Player this morning. I was || this close to beating my computer like a red headed stepchild. But, I realize it's not my computers fault. Totally user error on my part for thinking that an update would be a good thing. I agree that music will most likely go that route. It will take time though. I think what really needs to be done at the moment though is rather than constantly trying to come out with the next best thing, the industry needs to work on making the products consumers will use better and more reliable. (and cost friendly would be nice!) Maybe a look at how game consoles are done would be best? And yeah, I think music is headed in the direction of not being physically touched. Which kind of makes me sad. I've always loved having the album art to look at while listening to the album. :/
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  14. sage1979
    sage1979 says KC you are such a bad influence lmao You know I"m already signed up for a bajillion other sites.. *sniffle* But.. Ok.. I will. Since you're twisting my arm :P Be prepared for any "I don't know what the fuck I"m doing HELP ME!!" emails ;)
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  15. sage1979
    sage1979 says http://sage1979.multiply.com/ :P I done did it.
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  16. ROCKNROLLPIMP1
    ROCKNROLLPIMP1 says HAHAHA HURRAY 4 NAY NAY
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  17. BrandNewSumthing
    BrandNewSumthing says I feel bad for The Dresden Dolls and all the gazillion other bands out there that are struggling to make it. With that said, I still don't see myself buying too many CDs anytime soon. I can't help it. iTunes is just way too convenient. I do, however, wish that the actual bands were getting a larger share of the money that comes from legal downloads. (Thank God. I thought I was the only one developing a deep-seated hatred for IE7.)
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  18. mktackabery
    mktackabery says I understand the ethical implications of downloading music you did not buy; however I will not go quietly into the DRM night because of that. Because the fact is that I retain the right to share my property with my friends. I get what you are saying sage, but I don't think it's fair to call all "downloading" an illegal activity. Because most of the music I get now is from "downloading it," and most of it is paid for. I own clothes. I loan a sweater to my sister, she loans me a necklace, it's all good. She and I swap books; I can't afford to buy every book and neither can she. So every few months when we visit, we raid each other's library and swap books. Half her library was once mine. It's all good. Neither of us can afford to buy every musical cd in the universe. So we share. If she buys something, she'll occasionally make me a copy and vice versa. Same with my friends. It's called FAIR USE and it's my property. If I have friends and I want to make them a copy of a song, I should be allowed to do it. I am personally enriched by the gifts of music my many, many friends have given me and I return the favor. SOMEONE in the chain has paid the artist. None of us are about ripping anyone off. We are about financial realities. People will always steal, abuse and rip off other people. Why should I be punished for that? If bands are not getting enough of a share of the legal downloads, they should make their own deals. It can be done. They can take power over their own music. No one has to be a slave to a record company. Not you, not a band, not anyone.
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  19. sage1979
    sage1979 says BrandNewSomething - It would be nice if they'd get a larger share of the money from legal downloads. If there's a band out there struggling and I like them and can afford their CD, I'll buy it just because. I'm a sucker like that I guess ;) And I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one hating IE7!! It's probably the worst "update" to something I've ever downloaded. mktackaberry - no no no.. I should've specified "illegal" downloading. And personally, I'm fine with sharing with friends. I was more directing my frustration at those who *can* but *will not* buy CDs or otherwise help support artists they enjoy. That's what I find aggravating. And I'm not saying people that pay for their music should be punished. I'm saying that those that are just all about the free stuff and don't care about the financial impact (however small, in the end, it does add up) they're having on bands (especially struggling ones) should be ashamed of themselves. And no, no one has to be a slave to a record company, but it's a bitch of a climb to have anywhere near a decent life otherwise. I've had a couple of friends try and go without a label, and I've seen a few bands that have tried, and while they were good artists, they just couldn't do it because they didn't have the resources to perform, record, distribute, etc and pay the bills, put food on the table, etc.
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  20. mktackabery
    mktackabery says yeah, I'm with you on that.
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  21. RGM
    RGM says The mayor of Boston wants to sell City Hall and the area around it -- a barren plaza with the distinction of being voted "the worst public space in the world." Mayor Thomas Menino is thinking about moving to a remote site on the South Boston waterfront, but others say City Hall should stay in the center of town. BTW...Why doesn't everyone do everything to benefit each other? No money. Nothing! Call it even Steve 'O'! You Primeeeee 'doh'! (1st)
    Permalink posted 01/18/2007
  22. joseexist
    joseexist says No time to read all the comments but,,, Thanks for the blog. I don't generate much $$$$ for myself with my music but I do hope to someday. I don't see me selling many cds. The digital downloading of either single songs or albums is the truth of the industry. Artist who have a disdain for the digital world may well go broke trying to sell "bulky" cds. Download to your hearts content. Buy one of mine if you like it. There are many out there. LOUD-N-PROUD!
    Permalink posted 01/19/2007
  23. sage1979
    sage1979 says Well, I was speaking more about buying albums whether it be online or the actual, physical CD. So long as the artist is making their little bit of money, ya know? I definitely agree with you, artists that won't even try to go digital will end up hurting in the end. Though, there is an appeal to CDs still. Like I've said before, it's still nice to have the physical album art in front of me. But, still, that's not enough to continue strictly selling CDs. Good luck to you! :)
    Permalink posted 01/19/2007

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