Do I need an intervention? (Read before you respond, wiseass.)

Posted about 4 years ago
One of MOG's saving graces is that there is practically no genre or artist that we, collectively, are incapable of tolerating. Once in a while someone'll get a hard time for owning up to a love of country and western or....oh, say, Vikki Carr. But those instances are rare, as they should be.It's pretty well-established by now, I guess, that my tastes are...um, pretty catholic. When I listen to music, I try to leave personal prejudices and social considerations ("Eww, I can't like this band, their fans are dorks," or "Gotta like this band because people who like them have attained a level of coolness I can only dream of")out of the equation. The only thing that should matter is this: Is it good or isn't it?I probably take undue pride in how open my ears remain - though I will never hold a candle to truly eclectic MOGgers like Fistula Spume and Spike. But once in a while, that pride is brought crashing to earth by circumstance. One begins to doubt oneself. The depth and hideousness of one's musical vanity suddenly become clear. Obviously, because I am writing all this, I'm going through one of those moments now.It came about as a reult of my buying the most recent CD by the Brazilian singer Luciana Souza, called "The New Bossa Nova." Souza, whom I gather is now based in New York, has decided that being blessed with one of the loveliest voices and most discerning ears for a great song is not quite enough. She wants commercial success. And honestly, I want it for her too. Anyone with a voice like hers deserves to be wallowing in acclaim and yachts. So she has decided to record a CD of songs by artists popular with an older - dare I say boomerish? - audience. Joni Mitchell, Randy Newman, Steely Dan, Leonard Cohen, Brian Wilson, Sting (gulp). And, um, James Taylor. But that's not where I'm balking. Reconfiguring these songs as more-or-less traditional-sounding bossa novas (no electronic gimmickry here, pretty much all acoustic instruments), Souza pulls off the trick of making them all (even Sting) seem both new and hers. I can kinda buy the conceit of these tunes being contemporary standards when they're done this well.It's the James Taylor song, "Never Die Young," that's really giving me problems. It's one of my favorite songs on the album. I'd probably be OK with that except for one thing - James Taylor himself makes a guest appearance on the track.Why is it that I find him so maddening, the idea of enjoying him such an exercise in humiliation? Is it guilt that, in high school, I exaggerated my appreciation of "Sweet Baby James" in order to worm my way into the heart of that delectable, arty girl with whom I shared a lunchtime? Is it anger that he pissed away a promising beginning in a druggy haze? Bewilderment that he married Carly Simon? Revulsion that he became a boomer icon? (People my age really are capable of appropriating music for themselves in a way that infuriates me. How dare anyone refer to Motown as "Big Chill music," as if the Four Tops had no significance unless paired with Kevin Kline and Mary Beth Hurt?) All I know is when I hear his voice, there's an unpleasant clenching feeling in the pit of my stomach. So, I can't get this song out of my head. And this fact is quite upsetting. Please someone - anyone - tell me that this is actually a lovely little song and that appreciating it is not a sign that I am surrendering myself to a life of musical choices largely dictated by PBS. Either that, or please stage an intervention and take me away to a remote location with a CD player and only two CDs: "The Best of Jimmy Reed" and Captain Beefheart's "Lick My Decals Off, Baby."

Comments (40)

  1. ivylander says Just in case you ever wondered whether Eliot Smith would translate well to Portuguese, here's "Satellite." ~0VwsMaa3oHY.mp3~
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  2. bradfox says I'm lucky my friend. Having seen the Four Tops and so many other greats at live shows at the Brooklyn Fox Theater, I'll never think of those groups as as "Big Chill" music. They were "hot" then and still are. I would suggest you think about James Taylor and Carol King singing together after her Neil Sedaka songwriting daze, and be greatful. There could be worse thoughts in your mind.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  3. AA Coppertop says I can tolerate James Taylor okay when he's played by Christopher Guest. "Highway Toes" (5:22)
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  4. I am says You have just confined yourself to watching old rerun's of Hogan's Hero's while lamenting the recent passing of Ivan Dixon. Break out the AARP card and start bitching to the government to give you free money. I am sure there is a place you can go to get your meals ground to mush and get your slippers de-pilled. Nice tracks, Bill, *your the one with the coolness* we can only hope to attain and I think your no more eclectic then anyone else (save Sam and Spike). If you need an intervention, I think that can be arranged, a 6 of 'Black Label' and *Piper At The Gates Of Dawn* will set you right again.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  5. ivylander says Carole King! Arrgghhhh!
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  6. ivylander says Y'know, Chris, hard as it may be to believe, when I used the word "wiseass" I was envisioning you. But then you surprise me by actually liking the tunes - or pretending to, just to drive me madder.... The "PIper At The Gates of Dawn" shout-out reminded me of a funny story from the early '70s. I was picking up a friend at the house he shared with a stoner brother. The brother and one of his moronic friends were sitting around smoking bad pot and playing Grand Funk Railroad or something. When the side ends, the moronic friend picks up a copy of Pink Floyd's "Meddle" and says, "Here, play 'Medley.' It's one of my favorite albums. It goes right through your mind...." It was a Cheech and Chong routine brought to life.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  7. runobodyii says It's a lovely little song, and, anyway, everyone knows PBS-watchers taste is a cut above (I use my tv for movies and baseball). No worries. What I want to know is what the *** is wrong with Sting? You're at least the second person I've read slamming him in passing. It's not like I'm preprared to go to the wall for him or anything, but I am curious.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  8. ivylander says I can't speak for anyone else, but he strikes me as the quintessential preening, self-important rock star - even more so than Bono.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  9. I am says That's funny Bill. Actually I was toying with an post that had 'Fearless' from Meddle or 'Free Four' from Obscured. I haven't decided which yet. Come on, you know I fall hard for the Latin beat and your Brasiliphilia.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  10. runobodyii says Now, hold up off of Bono cause them there could be fighting words, pacifist wannabe that I am. Why are we so snarky about people who have the courage of their convictions? And with the latter I know that it's not just postering, there's some real follow through. Enjoy your James Taylor.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  11. I am says I should say this though, I can only take Taylor is small doses.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  12. ivylander says I'm sure sure that sincerity and self-absorption are mutually exclusive qualities. In the case of both Sting and Bono, I admire their intellects and desires to effect positive change in the world. I just have a problem with the amouint of time they spend, figuratively and perhaps literally, in front of mirrors.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  13. ivylander says By the way, Coppertop, I almost forgot to mention how wonderfully droll that clip is. And ironic, given the major part that Belushi plays in it....
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  14. waydutch says Catholic Pride!?! Isn't that one of the seven deadly sins? I too struggle with the idea of enjoying much of JB and feel that gut clench as well, but really it’s OK, this is actually a lovely little song and to be truly opened eared you need to disregard either way what PBS tries to say. No?
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  15. ivylander says Thanks, waydutch, you've rekindled my dormant self-esteem.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  16. Cody B says Liking is good..hey you can find Isaac Hayes at Starbucks. Nice little tune.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  17. Sturgell says It's all about Catholic Discipline!!! really it's not, but here's a of them anyways.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  18. Wahiawa786 says Over at last.fm, "Recommendations" keeps pushing James Taylor whenever I start a mini marathon of Jim Croce, Harry Chapin, or Gordon Lightfoot. I've heard JT from time to time, but I play some Mary Chapin Carpenter and I get out of the "jump in the river and die" mood. (His demons inhabit his works, it seems) As for Luciana Souza, you've steered me away from Bebel Gilberto...for now. (MCC, dispel that green smoke, and I'll won't ever take love for granted!)
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  19. deedee says OK: I was an arty high school girl who thought JT was just fab. We girls loved him then, we loved Sweet Baby James, we went to see him at Carnegie Hall in, like, '71, and we swooned. BUT I can see being less than enamored of his very wan-ness, his nasality, his whatever it is that just doesn't do it for you. (Ok, Ivylander, is your delectable girl the same as the Blue girl? That may explain something right there.) Apropos of nothing, to whoever may care: new book out about Joni/Carole/Carly and That Time in Our Pop Culture History. It's called Girls Like Us. It's not very well-written and has bunches of errors, but it has some fairly amusing (if old) gossip and some neat pictures. Also (and this is pretty obnoxious of me): That was Mary Kay Place in The Big Chill. Are you still speaking to me?
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  20. Misstee says I have no thoughts on the matter but very rarely do you see a shout out to Mary Beth Hurt these days!(who, incidentally was not in The Big Chill but did date Kevin Kline for a while)....
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  21. dharmachris says Ivan Dixon has died??? RIP, Kinch, even if your Captain was a perv. Bono has no ego. Proof, from his attendance at the National Prayer Breakfast a few years ago: "If you're wondering what I'm doing here, at a prayer breakfast, well, so am I. I'm certainly not here as a man of the cloth, unless that cloth is leather. It's certainly not because I'm a rock star. Which leaves one possible explanation: I'm here because I've got a messianic complex. Yes, it's true. And for anyone who knows me, it's hardly a revelation.":http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bono And that voice on Souza!! Sweet. I just ordered the cd. Not being a huge fan of James Taylor, even that song is lovely. Thank you for posting both clips!
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  22. ivylander says Oops, I should've known that it was Mary Kay Place. Mental vapor lock.... Deedee, it wasn't the same girl. but it was certainly the same type of girl. I was a slow learner....
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  23. Lizziegreeneyes says Mary Kay Place... pink towelly bathrobe... getting it on with her best friend's husband so she could have a baby of her own... great movie. Would never DREAM of considering the genius of Motown as "Big Chill" tunes ;) Then again, I always loved that the movie helped to bring that genre of music to the "forefront" of the 80s - a reminder of what brilliance could come from The Four Tops et al !!! Bill... you are a total goof, but you're the kinda goof a girl like me can proudly call a friend & partner in all things Elvis, after dining on Moroccan cuisine & having our voices taped for the sake of Chris's time capsule ;P No intervention needed... sadly - the artists we love may not always go in a direction we see as the way to go for them - doesn't make them less lovable, just means it's an album of theirs or song choice, or partner choice we wish they hadn't made. Cross your fingers & hope she does better (for your mind's ears) on her next go around. & remember, your selection of tunage created a mix I adore & listen to frequently ;)
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  24. Cody B says Ivy might not need a music intervention, but I heard he does hit the Mojitos pretty hard. I might also add..naa, I'll keep that secret.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  25. Spike says Great to see Anna back in action here. ivylander, be proud of your guilt. If music is to have any meaning to our lives outside of mere esthetics, then non-musical forces have to twist our musical tastes. When James Taylor gave you the wrenching feeling, it sounds like you had a healthy voyeuristic view of your churning guts, like someone slowing their car to glimpse a fistfight. Way cool. If one's tastes get too wide, then their focus will get dissipated.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  26. Lizziegreeneyes says hahaha *Spike* I trick you... that is a pic of ME with our beloved Anna ;)
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  27. Spike says Tricked me you did! Most husbands have male refrigerator blindness. Today I also had Lizziegreeneyes blindness, but you just cured me. ivylander, let me tweak my sermon. I should have said, Don't feel guilt about your pride, but do feel pride about your guilt.
    Permalink posted 03/22/2008
  28. mullytron says I don't know about you, but in my mind I'm always going to Carolina. The cover version is fine, probably even awesome-sounding (thanks for the tip BTW), but the guest appearance is not OK. He should know better, or she should, or her producer should. Oh, and Jimmy Reed and "Decals" is a pretty good way to go, desert-island wise.
    Permalink posted 03/23/2008
  29. Augusts1 says I think you just need to go to rehab. hehehe(yes, I know, I'm a wiseass!)
    Permalink posted 03/23/2008
  30. dermahrk says Lovely - and made all the more lovely by the inclusion of Taylor. I think the man is a tremendous talent and, having seen him once at the Mann here in Philly, a very engaging performer. I would go to see him more often except I don't enjoy those huge outdoor barns (nor indoor barns). Bono and Sting and Carole King (oh my)? Agreed. I must admit surprise at this Taylor-made blind spot in your catholic tastes. Oh, the early days when he defined singer-songwriter can be a little hard to take, but more for the public reaction than for the music itself. I know where you live, Bill. One of these nights you'll come home from work to find me and a crowd in the living room, staring at you with great intensity....
    Permalink posted 03/23/2008
  31. deadmandeadman says We all have a cadre of cringe-inducing artists/bands/writers/actors, etc etc etc. Bill, I have always admired your appreciation of, and knowledge of, a very broad range of music. You express yourself so well. And your fondness becomes infectious and you get me listening to things I would have let slide two years ago. Its not ??always?? to my liking, but I'll always give it a listen. **That having been said**, I think its safe to say your archive has some.....??Unusual?? selections as well, things we'd never ever hear anywhere else. I generally agree with Baudolino; "SENSITIVE Singer-songwriters" need not apply. That's why, way back in the day....The Sex Pistols? My god yes! The N Y Dolls? Thank heaven! The Clash? Oh very very yes! Sweep the weepies off the stage, pummel the polyester! Smash the Disco Balls! **Give 'em Enough Rope** Thanks, I'm done ranting, far from where any of this started. But strangely, I'm happier for it. LOL
    Permalink posted 03/23/2008
  32. ivylander says Is a self-proclaimed Sensitive Guy a worse crime against humanity than a self-proclaimed badass? Yeah, probably.... Mark, you and me will have a throwdown. There will be two CD players. We will alternate singer-songwriters with '70s reggae until one of us capitulates....
    Permalink posted 03/23/2008
  33. I am says I want tickets to that one.
    Permalink posted 03/23/2008
  34. contrabandwidth says Wow, long thread! I would have to admit to having much of the same disdain for James Taylor as you. I think because it optimizes (in my mind at least) what the middle age adults listened to when I was a teenager. It was the sound of complacence. And as a young teen, discovering music, that was the last thing I wanted. Sedate music, with few tempo changes that I could sip merlot to. That teen in me hasn't died in that I still thirst for new musical offerings, though I am much more subdued these days. I would relate it to most peoples loathing of solo Sting. There's just something that smacks at dis-ingenuousnesses (if that's a word), and it feels as though your only making music for the people who like your music. I have the same feelings the same way about Jimmy Buffet as well, Van Morrison's "Moondance" album (though I don't dislike Mr. Morrison for the most part, but that album is another middle age novelty), and Bob Marley's "Legend" (again, love the man, hate most of the people who own this as their one "reggae " album). But I am an admitted curmudgeon. So go figure.
    Permalink posted 03/23/2008
  35. Mike the Knife says I may detest Buffet and his Parrotheads, and I may cringe at the palaver of the late Jim Croce, but I have a high tolerance for Mr. Taylor - except for his craven version of the whiny, sniveling Carole King song "You've Got a Friend." (I'm no big fan of Ms. King's own sensitive singer-songwriter period. She shoulda never left the Brill Building.) BTW, I've heard a few beautiful covers of Smith's "Satellite," and this one is added to the list - but my fave has to be the one by singer Petra Haden and guitarist Bill Frisell on their duets album. Worth seeking out, ivy.
    Permalink posted 03/23/2008
  36. darmuzz says I think of James Taylor in two ways: one, as a 70s AM radio hit-maker like Bread and The Eagles; and two, as one of those performers who really gives his adoring fans what they want in concert (a trait he shares with Bryan Adams.) Bono and Sting? No problem. I like my rock stars with charitable inclinations and inflated egos.
    Permalink posted 03/23/2008
  37. Dzendvokh says Comment 38
    Permalink posted 03/23/2008
  38. B42 says Bill, this is actually a lovely little song and appreciating it is not a sign that you are surrendering yourself to a life of musical choices largely dictated by PBS. I saw JT just last year with his crazy drum machine and A/V backup, he still has his moments in the sun as most artists do. But living here I just can't avoid hearing too much of him. My favorite radio station, (yes I listen to radio sometimes), WMVY, just sneaks him in between other much more current and likable musicians just when you'd least expect (or want) it. I'll take singer/songwriters over metal anyday but that's just me. I didn't need intervention I surrendered many years ago, get a lot of my current likes from NPR, and Mog, not much from PBS. I'm post boomer but got a lot of what I love handed down from them as I'm sure most of you have in one way or another. Will I buy Luciana's CD? Probably not...but never say never... Why can't we just have it all? Great post and comments btw.
    Permalink posted 03/24/2008
  39. fistula spume says Excellent post. I prefer wiseacre personally. I hear what you're saying Ivy. Even I have some artists that make me want to wretch and it's purely out of nothing whatsoever. A lot of people like them but I can't wrap my mind around it. I remember my parents being like "The Big Chill is for our generation, man!". I think my wife felt it with Breakfast Club and I'm pretty sure mine was something but I can't think of it. I think by the time it came to summarize a generation through film for my time they had the formula and a zillion came out. I really despised James Taylor growing up but my wife really loves him so we had a moment earlier in our relationship where I was listening to a lot of Carly Simon, James Taylor, Carol King, Jackson Browne, Joni Mitchell... All of which I hated at first but like my hatred for broccoli I came around. I don't implicitly like all that they do but I've learned to like songs that I like and not judge the artist. I still do that with some genre's like grindcore or new christian pop music but the way I see it I still have 4 more lifetimes to listen to all the music ever created. That doesn't even account for sleeping. So, while I'm in this lifetime I'll try to fill it up with the music I love and try to be as accepting as I can with others. BTW this track sounds totally kick ass. I'm going to have to check out this album. Bet my wife would like it too. You're not completely a Latin-Americanophile Ivy. You like a wide range of music. Believe me!
    Permalink posted 03/24/2008

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