All good dreamers pass this way someday.

Posted almost 5 years ago
I've recently been in touch with my oldest friend, whom I met in the summer of '71 at a bungalow colony in Rockland County. When we've reminisced over the years about that summer, the music that's been the reference point has been Tapestry. That was the background music. There was a girl we were friendly with who played it over and over, and we'd sit outside her bungalow during those warm evenings.When I thought about that time recently, I realized that many people still think of it as The Summer of Tapestry, but the album that I played over and over was Joni Mitchell's Blue. I can't emphasize strongly enough what Joni was to moody-broody-poetic teen girls back then. Just take a look at the high school literary magazines at the time. Carole had her followers, and rightly so, and being a frizzy-haired New York girl gave her a little more grit. But Joni was a lady of the canyon, and wore gorgeous hippie clothes, and had affairs with all those songwriter boys ("my old man," "I would be his lady all my life," etc.). Very romantic stuff. Imagine heated discussions about who was better: Carole or Joni. We Bronx girls were so rough.Anyway, Blue was powerful. So powerful that Cameron Crowe placed his own copy in that lovely scene in Almost Famous, his need to have it there overcoming his knowledge that it was anachronistic. And I'll bet my copy is tattier than his.I haven't listened to it in years, I admit. Have any of you revisited things that you haven't played for a long time, that were from a specific moment? A couple of years ago I watched Scenes From a Marriage for the first time since it came out in '74, and I can tell you that it looked startlingly different in my 8-year-married living room than it did when I was an utterly innocent college girl. I mean, I turned out smartypants papers for film class about Bergman's symbolism, but what could I possibly know about anything? How could I have I understood it at all?Likewise, Blue. I loved the language: "dark café days," "a river I could skate away on," "There'll be icicles and birthday clothes and sometimes there'll be sorrow." I loved the conversational, loose linguistics of "Constancy in the darkness, where's that at? If you want me I'll be in the bar" and "Richard, you haven't really changed, I said, except that now you're romanticizing some pain that's in your head." But what did I know about it? About "roses and kisses and pretty men to tell you all those pretty lies"? And the rue and rogues and the heartache?Nonetheless. It was dazzling then, and it is dazzling now.But speaking of an earlier time, here's a very young, prim Joan Anderson, along with the late, great Dave van Ronk, and a group of young men who are said to be the Chapins but sure sound like The Folksmen to me.

Comments (21)

  1. ivylander says I should probably revisit "Blue" again, but it's tough because my memories of it can't be extricated from the memories of a very intense and ultimately devastating romance. I know more guys who can't listen to Joni anymore because of past associations with girlfriends.... You're a Bronx girl? Knew there was something about you I liked. My wife is one, too. Went to Aquinas, lived on Burke Avenue....
    Permalink posted 06/25/2007
  2. deedee says See, that's what I meant--there was something so intense about Blue. Can I say I'm surprised that guys are/were so affected by it? Did the girlfriends make you all listen to her? Yup, I grew up on the Grand Concourse, near Yankee Stadium. It was wonderful.
    Permalink posted 06/25/2007
  3. ivylander says Indeed, "Blue" was one of the very few viable post-coital options. I'm not saying I pretended to like it in order to get sex. Just the opposite - it really became the soundtrack to the relationship.
    Permalink posted 06/25/2007
  4. deedee says And I there I was, moping because there was no relationship. It worked for that, too.
    Permalink posted 06/25/2007
  5. ivylander says Makes all the sense in the world to me. Joni was having all these intense relationships with hip guys, but at the same time she was so very alone. I don't mean to sound snippy, but there is an element in her work of taking herself oh-so-seriously that really resonated for college-agers and recent post-grads back then.... Also, funny thing that you mentioned "Scenes From A Marriage." After I saw it with the aforementioned girlfriend, there was at least two hours of mutual detailed analysis before the release of sex. Haven't seen it again, and quite honestly have little curiosity. It would be painful, but not because it would remind me of this romance. More because it would remind me of what a self-involved little wanker I was back then.
    Permalink posted 06/25/2007
  6. deedee says Not a bit snippy. On the mark. My god, we were all self-involved and arty, so Blue and Bergman were perfect. We immersed ourselves in their brilliance, and elevated our little dramas. I love the Diane Keaton speech about Bergman in Manhattan: "... Real adolescent, you know, fashionable pessimism. ... Okay, okay, okay, I mean, I loved it when I was at Radcliffe, but, I mean, all right, you outgrow it. You absolutely outgrow it."
    Permalink posted 06/25/2007
  7. ivylander says Yep, that's the one.
    Permalink posted 06/25/2007
  8. dermahrk says Wonderful clip of Joni, surrounded by A Mighty Wind. No romantic associations with Blue here, other than falling in love with that persona - along with millions of other people. Her high-water mark, IMHO.
    Permalink posted 06/26/2007
  9. steve simon says i love Blue
    Permalink posted 06/26/2007
  10. kristiana says Enjoyed the reminiscence, Deedee! Also enjoying the back and forth, guys, very amusing! ;) Bill, that same gal, again...? Sheesh. You guys did a number on each other huh? So...you pretended to like the sex, in order to listen to Blue? Sorry, couldn't resist.
    Permalink posted 06/26/2007
  11. ivylander says Yeah, well, tell me you never used somebody just for the music....
    Permalink posted 06/26/2007
  12. kristiana says oh baby, have I! "So ah, now that we're sleeping together, ya wanna start a band?"..hahaha.
    Permalink posted 06/26/2007
  13. ivylander says The scales have fallen from my eyes....
    Permalink posted 06/26/2007
  14. kristiana says is that a good or a bad thing? :)
    Permalink posted 06/27/2007
  15. ivylander says Not sure....
    Permalink posted 06/27/2007
  16. Mike the Knife says Resonant post, and I can't get over the clip. Did I hear that right?!? "There's room for all in the hootenanny hall!" Wow! So quaint and innocent. And that was Harry "Cat's in the Cradle" Chapin and his brothers alongside gruff-voiced old folkie Dave Van Ronk and a dewy Joni - before her failed marriage to Chuck Mitchell. Apparently, she was doing those strange and lilting guitar tunings even back then.
    Permalink posted 07/02/2007
  17. Mike the Knife says And for the record, this urban, Philly-to-New-York habitue respected Carole King's talent (and Brill Building/Tin Pan Alley craft) but was unmoved by her and thought of her as a purveyor of bland M.O.R. pop who latched onto the folk-rock movement for cred. On the other hand, I've always blatantly adored Joni Mitchell.
    Permalink posted 07/02/2007
  18. Cody B says Evocative Post deedee. It is amazing to look back at release dates and years. I was seven years old when these records came out, and they both got a ton of play in my house, by my mom and dad, who were in the process of splitting up at this time. They were divorced by '73. My pops was an actor and totally committed to his craft and willing to chase his dream anywhere:Pennsylvania,Denver,Frisco, Chicago,Minneapolis,New York. He went where the work was.Though my moms was supportive, she wanted a life ,too, and just wasn't ready/willing to be a stay at home mom. Also,she needed to work because acting isn't exactly a way to get rich. Even though it was my dad who brought the records into the house (you should've seen the great job I did on the maze in the Stones, Their Satanic Majesties), maybe it was my mom who caught the messages in the grooves? It's my 43rd birthday today, and I just happened (well my mom always calls me at my birth time 8:05 am, every July 3rd) to get a call from my moms as I read this post. I asked her which of the 2 records resonated with her the most. She went with Carole, but said, she absolutely loved Joni. I'm Joni all the way, though if I needed a hit song, I'd go with Carole. Between my pops, musician roomates, and theater folks I've dated, the idea I get about Joni's Blue is a little different than some of the critical wisdom. Folks are always saying how personal it is and how emotionally raw (I do get those feelings from it), but there is also a lot of (as Ivy says) self involvement. Nothing wrong with that, but it can lead to lonliness (thanks,Ivy,again). Some pain is inflicted by others, but most of it, in my experiece, comes from emotional,artistic detachment. Good for the art, not so great for you or the detachees you are observing (living with). Of course, Joni's very,very talented, and I love her music (and art). Blue is indeed dazzling! And yes, there are so many songs/records I have that are associated with moments,places, and people, thank you again for posting one of yours.
    Permalink posted 07/03/2007
  19. emscee says I'm a "Court and Spark" and "Hejira" guy myself. "Blue," I know, is the one that got into people's souls, but I found it a little precious and sappy. As for Carole, I have to take issue with Mike's characterizing her as "a purveyor of bland M.O.R. pop who latched onto the folk-rock movement for cred." I thought "Tapestry" was a logical extension of her impeccable Brill Building-bred songcraft, and I don't think it's her fault that it spawned a bunch of far wimpier imitators who emulated the laid-back LA vibe but missed the undercurrent of NYC romanticism. Her early solo work is a direct descendent of "Up On The Roof," "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" "Goin' Back" and "Natural Woman," and it was only later on that her music became lyrically lazier and, yeah, a little bland.
    Permalink posted 07/03/2007
  20. deedee says Thanks, all, for the thoughtful comments. Love Court and Spark, by the way. I was a fan of both Carole and Joni at the time-- why choose? It was interesting to see how each evolved-- to be honest, there came a point where they each lost me a little. Happy birthday, Cody, and thanks for the personal story. So many of the songs and LPs we write about have as much to do with our little lives as they do with the works themselves. Hard to separate that. And that's OK by me. Blue IS precious and self-absorbed and so forth. Being able to recognize that is partly why it's interesting to revisit it. I probably didn't see that at 16. And, yes, Mike, there's room for all in the hootenanny hall.
    Permalink posted 07/03/2007
  21. dsbrew says Great posts folks - thanks! One observation is that nearly all are precosious(?), self-absorbed and arty at the well-seasoned age of 20...regardless of the times...going to school in Boston in 1985 and walking around with my Walkman with REM's Murmur on one side of the cassette and the Allman Bros Eat A Peach on the other, I was sure I had it all figured out...but alas, Ivy's posts remind me that I wasn't getting laid nearly enough...hah!!
    Permalink posted 07/04/2007

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