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War's little polemic on stereotypes seems particularly germaine these days.Race relations in America is still a touchy issue.Sad to say, but there are millions of people who would not vote for this man for no other reason than the color of his skin.
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  1. ivylander
    ivylander says More than one black person I know does not not want him to run because they are certain he'll be assassinated. Not sure that's not an overreaction, but the fact that the thought has occurred independently to more than one person is telling.
    Permalink posted 06/03/2007
  2. Cody B
    Cody B says Because he's light-skinned, he'll also be questioned by darker-skinned black folks, along with the racist whites. I like that he's running, but a less than 1 term senator, for President?
    Permalink posted 06/03/2007
  3. dermahrk
    dermahrk says Equally sad is the idea that others will vote FOR him merely because of the color of his skin. Race is so fucked up in this country...wait a minute - all over the world, really. And it's so endemic. While walking through a manufacturing plant in a prior job, the supervisor was telling me how, at lunch, the races separated into their own tables. I really doubt that this most human of biases will ever be overcome.
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  4. B42
    B42 says
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  5. B42
    B42 says
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  6. mktackabery
    mktackabery says I think "touchy" doesn't begin to explain it, but yeah. I like Obama too, because he seems brave and a great orator, but so far I've been disappointed that he seems to be spouting more of the same. I want some new ideas, dammit. I'm so tired of the fear in our country.
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  7. dermahrk
    dermahrk says B42, thanks for scaring the CRAP out of me!
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  8. B42
    B42 says oops,sorry about the double,... gender is also a big issue on the Democratic split, we're gonna have another Republican in office if we don't smarten up.
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  9. dermahrk
    dermahrk says Yeah, scaring the crap out of me TWICE, yet! BAD B42! BAD BOY!
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  10. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says B42......Now that's frightening! dermarhk, very true words you speak. What is even sadder is that there are many individuals and organizations who's sole purpose is to keep race relations "in focus" (read: inflamed). Cody my man. Indeed the man is still politically wet behind the ears. As he allows himself to be dragged to the left more and more, his chances of winning the primaries in iowa and New Hampshire diminish. If he believes his own rhetoric, he's a dangerously naive man.
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  11. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says B42, have no fear. GWB just rent the party in half. Immigration Policy, as its been proposed, is a no go with the party faithful. A candidate who endorses the new policy will not get the support of the conservative base. A candidate who opposes the ideas will not bring in the crucial swing votes, and conservative dems dissatisfied with their own party's choices. So I think immigration will be the defining issue in '08. Bigger even, than the war.
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  12. B42
    B42 says I trust you on this because I can't seem to stay focused on it long enough to grasp the implications, any hopes for 3rd party politics to ever be taken seriously?
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  13. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says B42, Its always a possibility, but its usually a recipe for disaster. American is very deeply devided on the issue of immigration US Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis said... "(W)e properly demand of the immigrant even more than this -- he must be brought into complete harmony with our ideals and aspirations and cooperate with us for their attainment. Only when this has been done will he possess the national consciousness of an American." Or as George Bush would call it, "empty rhetoric." And as Linda Chavez would call it, "racist." But, by a VERY HUGE margin, Americans embrace, and fully affirm Brandeis' opinion. This put them at odds with big business (mostly republican) and the "group-think-victim industry subsidized voting blocs" (mostly {liberal} democrats.) its a curious fact that as cultures, and ethnicities become subsumed into the American Dream, they historically become more conservative in ideology. Ted Kennedy has kept the liberal wing of his party alive by his "once a decade" immigration policies which continually provide his party with large subsidized voter blocs. Look at the man's senatorial record! I think this election ('08) will focus on the people's fury over the continued disregard for the rule of law as applied to illegal immigrants. The candidate that promises to Build The Wall, will carry the election. This really puts the Dem candidate in a bind, whomever it is. So....its all gonna be very interesting, no?
    Permalink posted 06/03/2007
  14. B42
    B42 says Well put and to the point; I personally am feeling bitter about workers not on the tax role, and the burden they put on the system (health care and housing and less than competitive wages), and the lack of contribution to the whole, so this rings quite true.
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  15. debi
    debi says Although I like what Obama says, I'm not sure he's ready for international issues just yet (and that has nothing to do with ethnicity - but strictly experience on the global stage). My choice would be Al Gore - if he chooses to run .
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  16. ivylander
    ivylander says DM, I was totally with you until the next-to-last paragraph. I know that you are merely talking about what you expect to see happen, not what you think ought to happen, but if that is true I think our country is in worse shape than I thought. In that case, it's really not about immigration, as we claim it is. It's about Mexicans. The Mexican workers I know in this country are working their butts off. And I don't think they even get the chance to participate in our democracy. If they get sick or are robbed, they have nowhere to turn, only to each other. They're scared of getting nabbed as illegals if they use any social services. What a brilliant way to get them to buy into our system....
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  17. dermahrk
    dermahrk says To get off of immigration for a moment, the Republican party may be further rent by Rudy Guliani, who is a fiscal / military conservative with liberal social ideas. The far right is decrying this, but I actually like it, as it more closely approximates my personal views. Yup, definitely an interesting election season coming up.
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  18. Cinful
    Cinful says WOW, deadman ~ what an awesome post ...and I love that between everyone's comments, almost every view I've felt has been said. It's nice, in a weird twisted kinda way, to know that everyone else is as mixed up with the choices at hand as I am!!
    Permalink posted 06/03/2007
  19. doublehue
    doublehue says and it sucks doesn't it.
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  20. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Yes it sucks, but at the same time we political junkies are experiencing nirvana. Ivylander, your comment left me confused. Which paragraph caused your consternation? If it was the reference to the Wall, I'm sorry if you read that as a swipe at another country or ethnicity, but even in these most toxic of politically correct times, the truth remains the same.....Peeps are pouring through our southern borders at an alarming rate, and the flow must be staunched. Only then will we be able to come up with an effective immigration policy. How do we deal with 12 million illegals? Amnesty has never worked, its only encouraged more illegals. A fact that Ted Kennedy and his ilk are fully aware of.
    Permalink posted 06/03/2007
  21. Cody B
    Cody B says To me the immigration "solution" can only be reached with true democratic principles and with everybody participating. I don't think it is gonna happen. It is a big picture question, and our country doesn't like looking at the big picture. We like making money, though. Our country was built with cheap and slave labor and unless that changes there will continue to be folks coming here to work. It is all about the money. When it's all about the money, The People aren't gonna be running things, the people with the money will be running things.
    Permalink posted 06/03/2007
  22. Rawkkiddoh
    Rawkkiddoh says Cody wrote, When it’s all about the money, The People aren’t gonna be running things, the people with the money will be running things. Thats why I have very little faith in our government at this point in my life. I cant remember the last time our country had a true leader, and I can only hope one is out there to bring us out of our slump. Race and gender are both big issues here in the states, and I do not see that changing in my lifetime. I would love to see a black, transgender, pot smoking atheist become president, just to scare the shit out of the rest of America.
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  23. ivylander
    ivylander says I do not pretend to know the answer to this immigration mess we're in, but I do know that it's not as simple as "putting up the biggest wall." Better border control may indeed being one aspect of a plan, but anybody who makes it the centerpiece of a plan is courting failure on a breathtaking scale. I also know that the answer does not lie in treating people who come to this country for its opportunities as if they're crap. There is often an unspoken assumption that today's immigrants come to the U.S. to sponge off us, that they not only fail to contribute to American society but suck us dry of resources (unlike, say, some wars that will go unmentioned). The people I know who have personally known who have come to this country to work, both legally and otherwise, have come here with respect (and frequently admiration) for our system. One guy I've known, an African, paid his way through two advanced degrees over a fifteen-year period, and when I last heard from him was working as a free-lance teacher (he can't be hired for a full-time position until he has his papers), paying taxes, and behaving in every way as a productive member of this society. Unless something has happened since our last encounter, he's still illegal. And there's presently no mechanism for him to become legal. The immigration system is very broken. The biggest wall in the world won''t fix that. One other quick thought: Doesn't it make a certain amount of sense to make businesses responsible for ensuring that their employees are legal, if what we really want is to stem the flow of illegal workers? I know it is usually a part of these discussions, but it never seems like a very serious one. Seems as if our righteous indignation loses steam when it requires us to do something that could potentially damage the economy.
    Permalink posted 06/03/2007
  24. Wahiawa786
    Wahiawa786 says I prefer to let Sly & The Family Stone comment on this subject: "Everyday People" Sometimes I'm right and I can be wrong My own beliefs are in my song The butcher, the banker, the drummer and then Makes no difference what group I'm in I am everyday people, yeah yeah There is a blue one who can't accept the green one For living with a fat one trying to be a skinny one And different strokes for different folks And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee Oh sha sha - we got to live together I am no better and neither are you We are the same whatever we do You love me you hate me you know me and then You can't figure out the bag l'm in I am everyday people, yeah yeah There is a long hair that doesn't like the short hair For bein' such a rich one that will not help the poor one And different strokes for different folks And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee Oh sha sha-we got to live together There is a yellow one that won't accept the black one That won't accept the red one that won't accept the white one And different strokes for different folks If the "grays" or some other ET with less-than-peaceful-intent show up on day, we will discover that it's the HUMAN race vs. The Invaders. (Unless we're the Inca and the ETs are the Conqistadors...)
    Permalink posted 06/03/2007
  25. Cody B
    Cody B says Any bill that gets debated in Washington is gonna be 1000 pages long, but when we get it, it is condensed into an us vs.them 30 second sound bite for each side. The immigration issue is multi-faceted and intertwines with multiple policies. Anyone who attempts to expand on the topic is tuned out in favor of a liberal vs conservative showdown. Fact o' the matter is, this topic breaks out into many small groups. Some unions support the current bill, some don't. Some business folks support the bill, some do not. It can't be divided into us vs. them, and people,good people are gonna suffer.
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  26. faeriedanzer19
    faeriedanzer19 says as a young black female with many many many opinions i'd like to voice mine: of course there are issues out there--but the one that is irking me as of this second--the fact that so few young black people are even registered to vote. i hear so much support for obama and you know what? it's great to talk--but you can bet your bottom buck that when elections roll around i will be in there voicing my young, black, female opinion for the first time!!--stoked out of my mind to finally be able to be a part of the decision making process. even if it's only tiny. so he's got my vote. and any other kids i can drag there with me :) as far as democracy goes--the last few elections have left me jaded. but you know how it goes--you only lose the power when you are so convinced that it's gone that you just roll over. none of that from me.
    Permalink posted 06/03/2007
  27. sunscream
    sunscream says Thanks for this
    Permalink posted 06/04/2007
  28. RGM
    RGM says So when the Fuck the American citizens Gonna really wake up to all this Goddam Mother Fucking Bullshit and Start the Fucking Bloodshed...All they do turn us against each other. It's not a Black Brown White whatever thing it's fucking control! The govertment!
    Permalink posted 06/04/2007
  29. RGM
    RGM says Or maybe thats what they want...
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  30. RGM
    RGM says In a nutshell it's all bullshit...we're all cattle, not a cunts hair you can about it and Jesus Love... GoodNite PS No need 4 bloodshed, it leaves a nasty stain on pure white...
    Permalink posted 06/04/2007
  31. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Ivylander, I work at a place that hires very many immigrants. The Company is very very carefull to have workers provide documentation. I find them to be hardworking and sincere. I also find them to be furious that illegals may be able to jump to the head of the line for citizenship. I don't believe we should waste resources tryin' to round up all illegals, but when one breaks the law again, (they broke the law comin' here) deport them. We certainly would not give amnesty to all uncaught rapists, would we? All murderers not apprehended yet can apply for amnesty? No, of course not. As for the familiar story; "I came here at two years old with my parents, I know no other way of life"..........You had how many years to get legal, then? Yes its a tough issue, one that threatens to tear a political party apart in this coming election. Americans have spoken consistantly and decicively on this subject, and its mentioned repeatedly as a major concern of voters on both sides. The drive to make English the official language of the state is part of that. fairiedanzer19, Please, as you hector your friends to vote, Bug them to become informed on the issues.
    Permalink posted 06/04/2007
  32. Mojination
    Mojination says I'm gonna vote for Deadman in '08. I'm officially declaring myself as campaign manager. Which Fleetwood Mac song did you have in mind for our rallying cry? Might I suggest something from "Tusk". Work on a slogan and we'll finally get chiba legallized.
    Permalink posted 06/04/2007

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