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The TRUE king of Rock an' Roll

Posted over 2 years ago
I'm sick of people calling Elvis Presley the king of rock an roll. NO WAY IN HELL.The true KING is CHUCK BERRY. Always was, always will be.Elvis's Sun singles are not bad, but how far removed from a minstrel show WAS his schtick? I mean really, all he did was ape any number of performers on the chitlin circuit! HE BROUGHT NOTHING ORIGINAL TO THE MUSIC. Most of the songs he recorded were chosen for him. His whole thing was bad imitation. He undoubtedly recorded some good songs over the yrs but..........CHUCK BERRY was the king. He was the FIRST SINGER/SONGWRITER of the rock n roll era. He was the FIRST guitar god/clown. He was the ultimate DIYer. He's written more rock classics than any other artist/writer/band (the BEATLES are too unique, arguably EVERY BEATLE SONG is a classic). He saw the gold in the teenage obsession with this new-style boogie. In so many respects, he wrote the first chapters of rock n roll. He adapted Blues riffs and chord progressions (building on the work of others, to be sure.) to this new music, tied it to the colorblind concerns of teens and young adults across society and found the pot of gold.And he's NEVER gotten his due. Even in his day his newest songs would be "covered" by a Johnny Rivers or a Pat Boone or some such clown, and of course the radion played the "lighter version", thereby robbing Chuck of perhaps millions in royalties. Anyone with a knowledge of the history of Rock And Roll Music, probably knows more CHUCK BERRY SONGS than they realize.Evis wasn't worthy to be CHUCK BERRY'S roaddie.SO....What do you say? ELVIS OR CHUCK?

Comments (24)

  1. dead mike says As far as I know, these are the TRUE Kings of Rock!! *+Rock of Gibraltar+* *+Ayers Rock (Australia)+* Go ahead! Prove me wrong!!! You can't get much bigger than this!! And truly, Elvis was closer in size, so I'd give it to him just for that alone...
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  2. ROCKNROLLPIMP1 says Ike Turner "Rocket 88" 1951 ;p
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  3. soda says Can't I choose both? I agree that Chuck Berry is, as Lou Whitney of The Morells put it, "America's Poet Laureate" I also agree that he has not gotten his due - plus he got ripped off like every other African American musician in the 50's. And he invented the word 'coolerator.' But your first paragraph leads me to believe you need to read Peter Guralnick's biography.
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  4. deadmandeadman says ROCKNROLLPIMP, Yes that song is often cited as bein' the first. (its not). But i was not tryin' to contend that CHUCK BERRY invented R & R, just that all the elements came together in him first. (and it wasn't Ike Turner ((rocket 88)). (it was Jackie Brenston. And yes there were others like lloyd price and bill haley, but they had a few novelty tunes. CHUCK BERRY WAS THE FIRST ROCK AND ROLLER
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  5. Cody B says Who wants to be a king? Others may have coined the phrase, or combined this rhythm with that style, but Chuck Berry wrote the blueprints and laid the foundation. God, not King.
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  6. deadmandeadman says AMEN & AMEN, Cody B
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  7. ROCKNROLLPIMP1 says yo yo "Rocket 88" by Jackie Brenston and his Delta Cats (actually Ike Turner and the Kings of Rhythm) (1951), and Bill Haley and the Saddlemen (1951). Both versions of this song have been declared the definitive first rock and roll record by differing authorities.
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  8. ROCKNROLLPIMP1 says oh btw i have always considered chuck berry and little richard to be the founding fathers and robert johnson is tha granddady RAWK
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  9. deadmandeadman says Yes PIMP, Amen to that too! But let us not forget T-BONE. His DNA bleeds through Chuck's guitar
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  10. ROCKNROLLPIMP1 says DAMN RIGHT
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  11. Tony Scalzo says Let them lead as two kings!
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  12. ROCKNROLLPIMP1 says we have a winner
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  13. CrashPryor says ...Yeah, Scalzo I'm feeling that...though, I've read the same as Pimp re: "Rocket 88"...that said, Ike "fisticuffs" Turner didn't make the inroads that Chuck Berry did...once listen to "Maybeline" would tell you that that's a bonafide template-- it's got rhythm, it's got country...it's got soul....who could ask for anything more?
    Permalink posted 12/18/2006
  14. kaluss says no comparison. chuck would not appreciate this hahaha. elvis was more like the kevin federline of his day.....
    Permalink posted 12/19/2006
  15. dermahrk says I've read both volumes of the Peter Guralnick Elvis biography. Doesn't change my opinion. Deadman is right. Although I'm not sure that Chuck is King - maybe a royal court shared with Carl Perkins, Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis. Elvis is stable boy.
    Permalink posted 12/19/2006
  16. MzManners says The true King is, of course, our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Permalink posted 12/19/2006
  17. reverend geoffrey says seriously, though? folks really need to stop riding on elvis's jock. it's almost like there was no other music except him by the time when he hit his stride, and he was a joke afterwards.
    Permalink posted 12/19/2006
  18. Anonymous says Elvis must needs be given proper credit for making The Rock available to all us white folk, free of the scandal of listening to "Colored" music. Hey, seriously: Forget "King" or not "King". Both men are essential, and you ain't gonna delete either from the official record of how Rock and Roll went down. You gotta love 'em both if you love Rock.
    Permalink posted 12/19/2006
  19. prankstermae says my history of rock music class got into a heated discussion when this topic came up. it's true, chuck berry has not gotten his due. elvis became the king of rock 'n' roll because he was white, and brought rock 'n' roll to the white mainstream masses. he was definitely an ambassador of rock, but yeah, king is a misnomer.
    Permalink posted 12/19/2006
  20. pETULENTfRENZY9000 says There ya go!! prankstermae has it, Elvis is the *ambassador* of Rock n' Roll. The King of rock & roll is .......well who cares. I'd say T-bone Walker or Scott Joplin. Actually no...they were more the founders of Rock. All this categorization is making me sleepy.
    Permalink posted 12/19/2006
  21. El Monko and Son says As I pontificated on some other recent thread, I believe that rock n roll is truly the crossover moment. Chuck Berry was a black guy playing "hillbilly" music to his people, and Elvis was a white guy playing "race music" to his people. Both at the same time; it was the moment for the walls to come down and for everybody to dig the other group's stuff. People who give all the credit to Elvis miss the point that Rock is the ultimate metaphor for ideal race relations, so do those that deny him any credit. Also, the Wildcats were Ike's group, but his record label screwed him over and changed their name for the single release of Rocket 88 because Jackie Brentson was the lead singer (and prettier than Ike).
    Permalink posted 12/19/2006
  22. pETULENTfRENZY9000 says And people who give all the credit to Elvis forget that when it comes to Rock n Roll, the "white guys" got all their stuff from the "black guys". Same can be said for Blues and Jazz while were at it. And just to clarify...what's "race music"?
    Permalink posted 12/19/2006
  23. El Monko and Son says No way did Elvis or any white guy get "all their stuff" from black guys. You are just taking for granted the huge presence and influence of western swing music ("hillbilly" music) to rock. The white guys were playing this, and when they added the blues influence, they got rock. Similarly, the black guys, like Chuck Berry, were playing blues and early r&b (it was called "race music" in the fifties, before the term rhythm and blues was invented) until they added the white element. Chuck Berry even remarked early on how the black audiences would go wild hearing a black man playing "hillbilly" music. Rock is no more black than it is white. Anybody who tells you otherwise is selling something.
    Permalink posted 12/19/2006
  24. Cryabetes says I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes the beatles for being TOO DAMN GOOD
    Permalink posted 12/20/2006

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