Joe Biden. You're joking, right? Thank You Doctor Marvello. Klaatu
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If any conservative had said this.....my god they'd be drawn, quartered and shot.
Klaatu was underappreciated in their time. Purveyors of Bright Pop Music of the finest kind, they were in fect so eclectic, so varied in their approach, that their talents may well have worked against them. Much like The Turtles a decade before, Klaatu would often sound like totally different bands, not just from album to album, but song to song on the same album. They were always fun to listen to and any track sounds great in and of itself. But in toto, one is left with a disquieting feeling that we don't really know what the band really sounds like.
Barack Obama's choice of Joe Biden as his running mate prompted a small wave of warnings about Biden's propensity for gaffes. But no one imagined even in a worse-case scenario such a spectacular bomb as telling donors Sunday to "gird your loins" because a young president Obama will be tested by an international crisis just like young President John Kennedy was. Scary? You betcha! But somehow, not front-page news.
Again the media showed their incredible bias by giving scattered coverage of Biden's statements. There were a few exceptions. On MSNBC's "Morning Joe," co-host Mika Brzezinski flipped incredulously through the papers, expressing shock at the lack of coverage of Biden's remarks. Guest Dan Rather admitted that if Palin had said it, the media would be going nuts. So what gives? The stock answer is: "It's just Biden being Biden." We all know how smart he is about foreign policy, so it's not the same as when Sarah Palin says something that seems off. Yet, when Biden asserted incorrectly in the vice-presidential debate that the United States "drove Hezbollah out of Lebanon," nobody in the US media shrieked. (It was, however, covered with derision in the Middle East.)
Or when he confused his history by claiming FDR calmed the nation during the Depression by going on TV, the press didn't take it as evidence that he's clueless. And Biden is the foreign-policy gravitas on the Democratic ticket, so his comments are actually even more disconcerting. The outakes of his Sunday remarks don't begin to capture the magnitude of what he said. After warning the crowd that there would be some sort of international incident - Biden could think of four or five scenarios - he told the donors: "We're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right." What does that mean? Obama's election would provoke an international incident because of his inexperience and even Obama's biggest supporters won't be reassured by his response? Then there were Biden's predictions on the economy: "I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? . . . Why is this thing so tough? . . . I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point, because you're going to have to reinforce us. "There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision.' " Biden is teling us that, at a time when Americans need to feel confidence in their government, they will be going "Oh my God." Not a great message. Needless to say, if Sarah Palin said this about a McCain administration, the media world would be exploding. Whether you believe Biden is exaggerating, as he is known to do, or is providing real insight, the double standard in the media does even more damage to their lagging brand. Part of the problem is their "Obama love," but we're also seeing the media elite's belief - prejudice - that anyone with an R behind their name is dumb. So, if they say something dumb, they must be dumb. A Democrat, like Biden, can make wildly inaccurate or outrageous comments and they are ignored because the TV and press insiders feel they "know who he really is." On the stump recently, Sen. Biden declared he had "three words" for what the nation needs: "J-O-B-S." Lucky for him, his name isn't Dan Quayle, or that would have followed him for the rest of his career.
Biden also gave a long speech at the debate on vice president Dick Cheney's "dangerous" belief that "he's part of the legislative branch." The great constitutional scholar Biden cited Article I of the Constitution as proof that Cheney "works in the executive branch" and has "no authority relative to the Congress." Biden huffily added: "He should understand that. Everyone should understand that." Palin would have had to deny that Alaska is a state in the union in order to say something comparably stupid. Article II, not I, describes the executive branch. Someone tell Biden, who is supposed to be a lawyer. Apart from getting the Articles of the Constitution mixed up, what on earth does Biden mean when he says that the vice president "has no authority relative to Congress," apart from breaking ties? The Constitution makes him president of the senate every day of the week. I realize that Biden may not be able to count to two, but Article I says the vice president is president of one of the two houses of Congress -- the one Biden is in, for crying out loud -- which is what you might call "authority relative to Congress." Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of the Constitution.
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Love the double entendre in Fukitol being a blue pill... nice. I think that Biden was added to the ticket for his foreign policy credentials, however, when it comes down to who is smarter or whatever... I'm not sure who actually got worse grades in school, Biden, or his good friend McCain.
Agreed - those gaffes would have been propped up if the media wasn't so "liberal" in their leanings, or if say - we had news divisions that weren't trying to be profit centers these days - or say, more entertaining than an episode of Jerry Springer or Judge Judy.
Fortunately we're voting primarliy for who will be President of the US, and no one on either ticket is smarter than Obama - and clearly what we need at this point. Hopefully, his cabinet that he will surround himself will actually be as smart or smarter, and have more executive and government experience than he does, since that is how the country is _really run - so fear not on that front - he has some interesting choices in mind... folks that have been around a long time.
I would dispute your assertion about the relative intelligence of the various candidates, but that's not the point here. You say....
"I think that Biden was added to the ticket for his foreign policy credentials,"
In 2004 we held the most important election in my lifetime, one widely seen as a referendum on the war in Iraq & a second Bush term as opposed to a John Kerry presidency. Thank god more people voted for Bush than had voted for any president in history. Since that vote "leaders" like Biden et al have been screaming bloody murder that they wanted to surrender. That vote will ripple through this century, and assertions to the contrary notwithstanding, a peaceful stable democracy in the middle east is the greatest blow we can strike against the religious extremism that has turned these present times so toxic.
Congress took it's most important vote since WWII when it voted for the "surge" which by every measure has worked thus far & both Obama & Biden were dead wrong.
My question would be this....where's the judgement?
I don't agree with Bush's foreign policy at all.
I agree with you though on - where is the judgment - but that would include both parties, and everyone in Washington currently - in my humble opinion. Bush may come out shiny, say 50 years from now, but the biggest thing so far that has happened in Iraq, is that you have had no bid contracts (directed to the Veep's Halliburton) that has robbed more money from the American Treasury than any time in our history, running up a 10 T debt with more to come - and that money from the American people flowed directly in to companies for a war that was largely privatized... by the same administration that is now getting on with more cronyism - through the socialization (and quasi-nationalization) of our banking system. *yeah again, from both sides of the aisle...
But now we're facing Socialism without all the benefits - like say, a national healthcare plan - like every other industrialized nation in the world _already has.
No - I am not impressed at all with the last four years, or Comrade Booch - or any of his accomplices.
Sorry.
As far as important elections - would could be more important than right now - ore more important than the economy. Speaking of elections - I've been voting for the lesser of the two evils in every election in my life time - and without some _real judgment going forward - then either candidate will probably mess the country up equally. We can't _afford that any more.
I see a lot of this as fiscal irresponsbility and being asleep at the wheel... Bush is one of the worst Presidents this country has ever seen... I hope for the United States sake, that the world sees it the way that you do - but again that will be probably 50 years out either way - so in the short term, it will certainly only have hurt as as a nation.
About all I know of Klatuu is when my high school buddy whispered that they might be the Beatles reunited.
I caught that bit about FDR on tv and was surprised to not hear more about it.
In my opinion, Biden's predictions on the economy are in refernce to how long and how drastic this situation may get - and the unpopular steps that may be needed to get us out (regardless who is in the seat).
The Vice-Presidential duties are outlined under the legislative duties in Article 1 Section 3
"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.",
while Article ll covers his election and term of office under executive resposibilities, so he does function in both branches...but I don't see how anyone could "re-interpret" the legislative sentence.
Let's get this thing over so we can get back ta rockin'!
Jeff are you upset by Murthas racism remark or by the fact that he's right.
There is alot to digest here. I'll have to come back.
I'll agree Biden has seemed to put his foot in his mouth and for once the media has dropped the ball on the liberal gaff.
If liberals are against the war in Iraq and the media elite are liberals, where were the media elite beating down the Bush administration before the Iraq war?
I'm a liberal and I don't think "my media elite" do a good job either..Does any national televised media outlet really spend enough time on news to do a good job? Even the 24 hour cable guys and gals are all horse race all the time..
Call NPR liberal if you like, but they have given more perspectives on this election than any outlet I've seen.
Right now McCain's campaign is reminding me a lot of Hillary's..They can't believe they are losing...I think they both misunderestimated their opponent..He's got that teflon feel Reagan had..
If you remember, liberals couldn't believe Reagan's success at winning people over to his side, despite what they saw as real issues that he had, that bordered on criminality and insanity.
When I was reading a conservative blog the other day, those folks sounded like us liberals did during the Reagan years. We just couldn't believe that he was fooling all these people. We,then, and consevatives today just can't see the appeal.
Things go in cycles..they're cycling back our way now..
"If any conservative had said this.....my god they'd be drawn, quartered and shot"
In that order?
"Jeff are you upset by Murthas racism remark or by the fact that he's right."
I'm upset that if Karl Rove or Sean Hannity or another icon of the right had said the exact same thing they would have been crucified! Everyone would hear about it ad nauseum. As it is only diehard newsjunkies know of this, why?
Vannatta, National health? You're kidding, right? No No No No never. Keep the gov away from that. I know Lord Obama feels its every American's right to have good healthcare, (bless his heart). Show me that in the constitution. And its a piss-poor idea.
Healthcare is vital, of course, but its an individual's responsibilty, not the govmnt's. Divorce healthcare from employment, bring down costs by instituting tort reform and open the industry to true compitition. But, (and this is where Hillary was correct) make healthcare mandatory so the young & healthy do not opt out and thus raise the price for everyone. Make it mandatory that parents provide healthcare for their dependent children.
I do not wish to give the drunk, the druggie, the obese, the sky-diver, the smoker, & all the rest a free ride. I do not wish to underwrite their lifestyles. Let them do it.
CodyB, do you see any sign of double standard?
Wow. Klaatu. I guess I considered this a trendy hippy thing at the time. Like references to Hobbits and such. Peace and love message from the alien robot and all. I was set free to be free, but really was such an idealist that I got dogmatic. Like I never listened to the band Love. Too obvious. Like my friend told me the Mothers of Invention were "a west coast version of the (Village) Fugs." Luckily, I wasn't that narrow and went out and bought Freak Out! anyway. Well. Let me get my foot out of my butt and listen to more of THIS music. By the way, I turned my teenage daughter on to Kula Shaker and such, and we've been grooving on that, too.
I saw the Biden,Murtha,and Ol' Chuck from NY covered on Fox,MSNBC, and CNN..CNN did a whole thing about the 3 DEM gaffes and included Sarah Palin pointing out those gaffes and the reason why they were troubling..More gaffes than ever are being covered pretty much by everybody..
Palin has made her gaffes too, they are covered for a day or two and then the train rolls on. Here's the difference:In total people trust some folks more than others, no matter what they say.
I don't think any gaffe goes unexposed these days on either side..Fact is, if 40 million folks are voting against you (you still might win in a landslide), somebody must be getting info about how rotten you are..
Love this track DMDM ... never heard of Klaatu before. Quality production.
I have to leave this for a bit, Life calls. But CodyB, I'll agree with your statement about gaffes, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. All I can say is if folks thought the Military industrial complex was a fright, wait until they feel the full dreadful effect of the Press-Entertainment- Political party triumverate.
From.....Jonah Goldberg
ITO Munoz went to Saturday's John McCain rally in Virginia to face the enemy: the news media, which had declared war on Joe Wurzelbacher. "Why the hell are you going after Joe the Plumber?" Munoz yelled at a group of reporters. "Joe the Plumber has an idea. He has a future. He wants to be something else. Why is that wrong? Everything is possible in America. I made it. Joe the Plumber could make it even better than me. . . I was born in Colombia, but I was made in the USA." Who knows what it will do for McCain in the end, but the Joe the Plumber phenomenon is real. At the rally, supporters carried handmade signs reading "Phil the Bricklayer" and "Rose the Teacher." Wurzelbacher symbolizes an optimistic, individualistic vision of America sorely lacking - until recently - in McCain's rhetoric. Barack Obama, in contrast, has offered the most rhetorically eloquent defense of collectivism since Franklin D. Roosevelt. In his acceptance speech, he artfully replaced the idea of the American dream with the century-old progressive nostrum of "America's promise." But the two visions are in opposition: the former individualistic, the latter collectivist. We each have our own idea of the American dream. Joe the Plumber's is to own a small plumbing company; yours might be something else entirely. That's fine, for the pursuit of happiness is an individual, not a collective, right. Obama's "America's promise," meanwhile, harkens back a century to the writings of progressives who demonized individualism while sanctifying collective action overseen by the state. Obama often articulates a vision of government inspired by the biblical injunction to be our brother's keeper. Few would dispute the moral message, but many disagree that such religious imperatives are best translated into tax or economic policy. So we've listened to Joe Biden question the patriotism - and, at times, piety - of those who don't share Obama's economic vision. We've heard Obama himself say that we should agree to higher taxes in the name of "neighborliness," and that he'd raise the capital-gains tax - even if it demonstrably lowered revenues - "for the purposes of fairness." He will cut checks to millions who pay no income tax at all and call it a tax cut. In short, Obama's explanation to Joe the Plumber that we need to "spread the wealth around" is a sincere expression of his worldview, with roots stretching back to his church and his days as a community organizer. Millions of Americans don't share this vision. They don't see the economy as a pie, whereby your slice can only get bigger if someone else's gets smaller. They don't begrudge the wealthy their wealth, but only ask to get the same opportunities. People like Tito Munoz look at America and see an open path to their own American dream. It would be nice if the media at least tried to understand this point. Instead, they attacked and belittled a citizen who asked a candidate a question. They think he's stupid or a liar for not understanding that a promised check from a President Obama is more valuable than some pipe dream about future success. It's funny. When PBS's Gwen Ifill had a straightforward conflict of interest - her forthcoming book hinges on an Obama presidency - that should have prevented her from moderating the VP debate, her fellow journalists tittered at the critics. All that matters, Ifill & Co. insisted, are the answers, not the questioner. But if Joe the Plumber gets revealing but embarrassing answers out of the media's preferred candidate, suddenly the questioner matters more than the answer. And he must be punished.
Let's agree to disagree - and as Scotfree mentioned, get back to the Rock.
Peace,
Van
All I can say is if folks thought the Military industrial complex was a fright, wait until they feel the full dreadful effect of the Press-Entertainment- Political party triumverate.
Now this is just crazy talk Jeff.
Is It? Time will tell.
whatever your views, don't be like this guy...
One thing I know.. Rich people will be fine. They have people that help them get out of paying taxes.
As for Joe The Plumber..c'mon now. I belive he's a symbol of how out of touch McCain is..There is no one person who symbolizes this country's middle class..plus, the Republicans keep bringing him up (and in political fashion, Obama is answering the attack Joe is being used to put his face to).
Campaigns are about candidates and spinning your parties ideology in such a way that you get enough votes to win.
My view is that both parties are symbolic only and not so far apart. Our President is rapidly approaching figurehead status..The executive branch is strong, but the White House occupant, not so much.
The two party system and the massive amounts of cash going into the political pie have been used to put up this bright line between people..that doesn't need to be there.
Dug the vid,scott
this bright line between people..that doesn't need to be there
now come on Cody .... that's just liberal crazy talk.
Guilty as charged..
I'm gonna just float this about national healthcare - how has the private sector gotten it right? How has managing healthcare given us 29th place globally in infant mortality? How have things like C-Sections for birth's increased to over 50% of the births for healthy individuals? Is it because we are unhealthier than we've ever been in the history of the world, when plenty of babies were born without aid of doctors, or is it that it's easier and more cost effective to schedule a C-Section than to wait for a baby to come at it's own accord. I understand some people do need the procedure, but if you were to research the statistics, you would find more docotrs push patients into a completely unecessary procedure that is a natural function of the human body (to gestate and give birth to your offspring. This is not a medical procedure, yet it is treated as one, like an operation, and women are convinced by "professionals" to doubt their instincts and schedule the birth of their babies around their doctors schedules.
I know some great doctors who unfortunately are retiring. They lived and breathed medicine. They were dedicated and concerned with their patients well being. What was their major complaint with newer doctors? They wanted 9-5 schedules - something they wouldn't have dreamed of leaving medical school. The system has placed doctors in a position where they must have more patients to support their practice, which equals less one on one time, more prescriptions as fixes, and a general air of managing illness, rather than curing it. This is progress? We may have some of the best trained doctors in the world, but we have the worst beauracracy for them to have to work in.
DMDM sez:
CodyB, do you see any sign of double standard?
When you make a hypothetical like, If Karl Rove said the same thing he would be crucified, my answer to your question is, No, no double standard..
Lots of people on both sides have said crazy things..say for instance Pastor Wright..Did he get "a pass" from the liberal media.
Palin has walked right up to the line of calling Barack, or actually calling him, unamerican, a socialist, an elitist..
What no one (in the campaign) does is start a conversation or dialogue..like why does Pastor Wright think these things? or What is socialism? or Why the Republican philosphy of free markets will work? or actually comparing single payer health care to free market healthcare?
Anyone who says anything "controversial" is vilified,crucified, or gotcha'ed..One side either apologies,clarifies,or distances while the other side is outraged..
Almost never is there an actual discussion..
I thought Barack's speech in which he had to defend Wright was elloquant and well put. I don't think there's been such an even handed treatment of the race issue on the political stage. It's sad he still had to distance himself from Wright because of the shrill detractors.
Agreed on the no discussion angle, though. We forget, just because something is propised, it is still a long way from implementation. If an issue like National Healtchare was proposed in the most Socialist of manners, what passed would inevitably be compromised and changed in a way in which it would look nothing like the proposal. We kill ideas on the notion of "radicalism or liberalism" before they are ever refined. The checks and balance system is the great grey zone, it can only exist in black or white if everyone is 100% on board, and that never happens.
Agreed,contra. I guess that speech he did about Wright was when I started to be for him in earnest. At this point I think he's the guy to start the discussions that need to take place..
Which, despite all the other things we blame presidents for, is really the true function of a president. His inflence on ideas is his power. "Hey I suggest this...", and then congress acts or doesn't on it.
..of course then one could present false information in making his case, and lead people into a war of his choosing.
"Did he get "a pass" from the liberal media."
Yes, CodyB, I agree, the good Rev got a big-time pass, I'm glad you recognize that. As has Rezko. And the list goes on & on. And anyone who would bring up such people are obviously racist, bitter people, clinging to their guns & religion & social values.
Amen, Cody and Contra. That speech was also the moment I made my decision for Obama. A person who does not ditch his friends at the first sign of trouble. A person who could act with such strength of character and so clearly tell how it really is about race is a person we can trust to do the right thing as president.
About that later distancing, it seemed to me that Wright persistantly placed himself in the publc eye to pull Obama to the left, or to gain attention for his own gain. Just my impression.
deadman, I seriously appreciate how you reveal to us the way that liberal bias creeps into the mainstream media's message. The comment about "gird your loins" doesn't bother me so much, though, because I spend a lot of time every day girding my loins as I blog on MOG, in fact it's my main source of exercise. Scot's video flabbergasted me. He must be a wizard at inserting his name into a film.
Hey Spike, I'm no wizard (just maybe a true star...), as you may know by now, that video has been circulated by moveon.org - the Dem website. You can put anyone's name in the vid and email it to them!I got it just in time to put it in this post. Chek it-
http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/taf.html?id=&nid=sRURYhA8y.63DuJC5.v2AjI4MDM5NzQ-
Deadmandeadman, sorry for the autoplay on that baby, I didn't know...and this is a non-political message. I just think it's way funny...
It's easy to yell "liberal media" when we have a President who's popularity is the lowest in history, since that implies that he's lost favor with most everyone. Ordinarily I think the true journalists (note the italics) do a fairly good job of remaining unbiased in their reporting. I think the reason you're seeing so much bias now is just because Bush is so unpopular.
The war in Iraq was solely W's effort to get even with Saddam for trying to kill his dad. Period. There was and is no other reason for abandoning our hunt for Bin Laden to go after Iraq. So the assertion that "the surge worked" is a red herring - we should never have been in Iraq, and on THAT issue, Obama was and is correct.
John Murtha is a conservative. A conservative Democrat. And having grown up in western PA, he's totally right. Governor Rendell (Dem) said the same thing in the primary, and was beaten up for it in the press.
I learned about Biden's "gird your loins" statement on that bastion of conservativism, Jon Stewart.
I agree with scot, I' m so tired of hearing about mainstream media bias and Joe the Plumber, I wanna rock!
Dee Snyder for Prez!!!
"The war in Iraq was solely W's effort to get even with Saddam for trying to kill his dad. Period. There was and is no other reason for abandoning our hunt for Bin Laden to go after Iraq."
Your opinion. Based, I hope, on your interpretation of facts & circumstances. That fact that its a majority opinion matters not a whit. It neither proves nor disproves your point.
Your opinion. Of course, never said otherwise.
Based, I hope, on your interpretation of facts & circumstances. In the absence of other information, it is the only interpretation that makes sense.
That fact that its a majority opinion matters not a whit. It neither proves nor disproves your point. I neither need nor care whether my opinion is validated. But since my view is the majority view, you can bet that the next President won't be a Republican. Not knocking them, but W. has given them all a black eye in the opinion of the majority of voters.
Very true, Bush has betrayed the Republican party for sure. He's spent money like a drunken Democrat. But.......
From this week's Weekly Standard:
"Here's a CNN.com headline from last week" "Murtha apologizes for calling western Pennsylvania 'racist'." The story then runs: "Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha, a supporter of Barack Obama's presidential bid, apologized Thursday for calling western Pennsylvania 'a racist area'. 'While we cannot deny that race is a factor in this election, I believe that we've been able to look beyond race these past few months, and that voters today are concerned with the policy differences of our two candidates and their vision for the future of our great country' he said in a statement issued by his office. "Senator Obama has shown sound judgment and has presented us with a change from the failed policies of George Bush and John McCain. I believe he will win both Pennsylvania and the White House.'"
Spot the apology? Neither did we."
Give me a chance to vote against this guy! Although I'm Pennsylvanian, he's not in my district. Too damn bad.
In my opinion, couldn't have picked a better team. No, Obama isn't exactly ideal for the position but he has great charisma and he is moving in the right direction. Biden has a way of putting his foot in his mouth A LOT! However, he's been great during this campaign. Even if he did I don't think you'd hear about it at all because the press is too busy being all over Palin and her constant smuck-ups. Obama and Biden compliment each other so well though. I have never seen voters so fired up about a presidential campaign.
How appropriate that a rabid Obama-Biden fan's screen name is "In Love with Buckethead". :-)
"Obama and Biden compliment each other so well though."
Yeah, Like Marx & Lenin
Oh come on now. Believe me neither were my first choice but between them and McCain/Palin I think I have definitely chosen the lesser evil. I don't agree with them completely but who in their right mind would vote for McCain especailly now after he chose to run with [completely unprepared] Sarah Palin.
I know she's[Palin] not as stupid as she looks on her interviews and debates, but I don't think she knows what she's got herself into and I don't think promoting what we really need right now.
Oh and Yes I'm a huge fan of the bucket, but I doubt that has anything to do with my political choices.And I am sure that if you check my collection we probably have a few of the same artists listed.
YEP! Just from lookin' at your page I see that we do--The Lemonheads and Coldplay. Proof that my taste in music has nothing to do with it. :)
Obama-Biden is a Media crowned ticket. Obama has built a crareer out of building a career. Biden is a plagerizing idiot added to the ticket for his (laughably ridiculous) foreign policy "gravitas". And not one network has chosen to explore their past the way they've explored Ms Palin's.
Whatever, this is now Sen Obama's election to lose. Barring some miracle I don't see that happening.
And he will be tested, immediately.
Who's list you lookin' at?
Oh wow! I'm so tired about Biden and his gaffes. Why is it that only people who have nothing to do with his comments are offended? Obama wasn't offended, Jesse Jackson wasn't either, and best of all, the President of the NAACP said "if Joe Biden is racist then I'm the leader of the KKK." in response to the coment and says Biden has been their biggest supporter. So that kinda knocks that theory out of the water. Let's see what else--and the joke about having to have a slightly indian accent to go to a seven eleven or a Duncin' Donuts in Delaware: The Indian guy he said that to not only wasn't offended but supports Biden in his campaign. It's just ridiculous that people are more cocerned about biden sticking his foot in his mouth(as usual) than they are about the actual issues.
Biden is an idiot.
You're right, they didn't go digging into Biden's past. But really there's no need. What is this, like the 2nd or 3rd time he's tried to get into a presidential race and as usual he says some off the wall thing. But honestly no one really knew a whole lot about Palin and she was a very unexpected choice. The media just did what it's good at--throwing a lot of things out there and blowing things way out of proportion.I'm an Independent so it's not like I automatically went straight for the big "D". I just made the choice I thought was best considering the information I was given and some that I found myself. And actually I was almost certain McCain would win but that was before Palin was put into the picture.
"Did he get "a pass" from the liberal media."-cody
DMDM-Yes, CodyB, I agree, the good Rev got a big-time pass, I'm glad you recognize that. As has Rezko. And the list goes on & on. And anyone who would bring up such people are obviously racist, bitter people, clinging to their guns & religion & social values.
Cody-If you thought I said he got a pass, I didn't say that..I asked if he got a pass..I don't think he did get a pass..Rev. Wright was on the news for two weeks straight..Everybody heard what he had to say, heard what Barack said, heard what Rev. said next. What part got passed by the media?
In the end it seems like voters (at least so far) have given Barack a pass and the McCain camp will not bring Wright up..What else is there to cover?
If McCain wanted to bring Wright to the front of the campaign they should, but I think they noticed that it wasn't working..
I used to like McCain back in 2000, but he got smoked with the same strategy and the same folks that smoked Kerry in 2004. Now those same cats are heading his strategy..it doesn't make sense. He could've been a contender, but he only partially stuck to his guns this time. I don't think the liberal media is to blame here for lack of coverage of Rev.Wright and Rezko and Ayers..I think it's the McCain camp and their inability to stick to any message whether negative or positive.
My prediction for the popular vote..Obama 49%, McCain 43%, 8% other
Did I just see something about BILL AYERS? WTH! People, people, people.....he is not a terrorist. He was an activist, what, like in the 60's or 70's. He is now a very respected professor in Chicago. They don't even know each other that well,they served on a committee or two together. And regardless Bill Ayers is a very good man. He has done a lot of great things and he shouldn't have to deal with all the slander. Why attack innocent people? Even went after Joe the plumber. Ok, well he did tell a little fib or two but still it was a pointless attack.
Oh, but it was funny especially after they did the calculations on what extra taxes he would have to pay[with Obama] if he were to buy that business.Get this.....A grand total of $258.00 extra.....that's going form making under $40,000 a year to making $280,000 a year. I think I'd sacrifice $258 dollars extra every year so that I can make $240,000 more.
I did get a laugh out of that! :)
"he is not a terrorist. He was an activist, what, like in the 60's or 70's. He is now a very respected professor in Chicago."
Well respected? By whom?
If he had bombed an abortion clinic way back when.......?
Don't get it twisted bucket! I'm talking about campaign strategy and media coverage..I didn't say anything for or against Bill Ayers..All I'm saying is I don't agree with the notion that the liberal media is carrying water for McCain..Those cats in his campaign are pros..if they wanted more coverage they could get it and they still do from the conservative media. Their campaign seems to have laid off trying to make a national story out of these things because it wasn't working with swing voters.
So, just to clarify, I didn't attack Bill Ayers or Rev. Wright..
Carrying water for Obama,that is..
You do not see media bias? Is that correct? CodyB, I think you don't want to. Thats the only possible conclusion I can draw.
I guess that's why the people in Chicago made such a fuss, huh? He has done a lot to make up for what he may have done when he was younger.
As far as the media goes, they are only gonna report what they think will hold people's attention. Besides that, the McCain campaign can't Keep Palin on a leash so I think they are trying to avoid drawing too much attention. Too bad too, cause I thought Obama Didn't have a chance before her. And now Obama is even being endorsed by Palin's hometown. They say she's too "risky".
Well Obama is favored in the media because people like him, but no one was complaining when McCain was running last time and the media was just in love with him. I'm sorry I'm getting a bit "techy" about the Bill Ayers thing. The only one still pushing it is Palin and that's just because they can't shut her up. McCain stopped pushing it when the Chicago Tribune jumped all over the fact that Bill Ayers IS a well respected person.
"Chicago Tribune jumped all over the fact that Bill Ayers IS a well respected person."
Hey, some people feel Al Sharpton is a well respected person, too.
They are both beneath contempt
Here's [a good old thing called proof] some headlines from the Chicago Tribune.....Go check it out, read the articles, and get some real information on the man before you go throwing out accusations.
Bill Ayers: 'What could I possibly add?'
By James Janega ,Chicago Tribune reporter
...it again today." Ayers' office door is decorated...pictures of children, bills of rights for students...your felonies." Ayers rarely mentions presidential...said UIC colleague Bill Schubert, who defended Ayers in a letter to the Chronicle...
October 5, 2008 |story
Bill Ayers
By John McCormick ,Chicago Tribune correspondent
...s ties to former 1960s radical Bill Ayers , as outlined in a New York...initiative that Obama headed and Ayers co-founded. "Gov. Palin...that Sen. Obama is not close to Bill Ayers, much less 'pals,' " the statement...
October 20, 2008 |story
School chancellor says he would have resigned if forced to cancel Bill Ayers' Neb. visit
By MARGERY A. GIBBS ,Associated Press Writer
...wasn't pressured to cancel a visit by Bill Ayers and would have resigned if someone had tried. Ayers' Nov. 15 invitation to speak on campus...would have resigned," Perlman said. Ayers, 63, helped found the Vietnam-era radical...
October 7, 2008 |story
Q and A: The Ayers connection
Mark Jacob
...association with 1960s radical Bill Ayers , now an education professor at...Illinois at Chicago . Q. How are Ayers and Obama associated? A. They...the South Side, and Obama visited Ayers' home for a meeting at the start...
...Obama; "the Man" is William "Bill" Ayers, today a political nobody from...leftie sympathizer of old leftie Bill Ayers (a "domestic terrorist...domestic terrorist!" But in fact, Bill Ayers, who was then rebelling against...
October 19, 2008 |column
Angry John and 'nice guy' Ayers
Steve Johnson ,Tribune Internet critic
...street of the Barack Obama - Bill Ayers story, the one where local PR...radical often called on to defend Ayers, gets lots of city contracts because...squelches left-wing opposition. 4. Bill Ayers: 'What could I possibly add...
October 11, 2008 |column
Daley reins in radicals — the Chicago Way
John Kass
...reporters to knock down the Ayers-Obama story. "What Bill Ayers and [former Black Panther...That's all I can say about Bill," she said. Happily, I beg to differ. Ayers is a terrorist?the narcissistic...
Or how about this form WIKI?Bill Ayers
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William C. Ayers
Born December 26, 1944 (age 63)
Glen Ellyn, Illinois
Residence Chicago, Illinois
Citizenship United States
Nationality American
Fields Education
Institutions University of Illinois at Chicago
Alma mater University of Michigan
Bank Street College
Teachers College, Columbia University
Known for Founder and former member of the Weather Underground
Urban educational reform
William Charles Ayers (born December 26, 1944)[1] is an American elementary education theorist and former 1960s anti-war activist. He is known for the radical nature of his activism in the 1960s and 1970s as well as his current work in education reform, curriculum, and instruction. In 1969 he co-founded the radical left organization the Weather Underground, which conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s. He is now a professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the titles of Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar.[2]
Guess I could say the same about McCain. Hell, if Ayers is a terrorist, then McCain[and Bush] aren't too far behind him.
"BENEATH CONTEMPT"
We could say that about half the people siiting in Washington right now. And the ones sitting pretty in every state too. That doesn't take away the fact that he has made up for what he has done wrong.
"......he has made up for what he has done wrong."
He's never admitted that what he did was wrong. He said he didn't do enough.
I cannot respond any more this evening. Football.
Games on there and games on here, thanks all. Nice one.
For months, the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the service chiefs and the Joint Staff have been preparing for the first wartime transfer of Pentagon political authority in four decades. In addition to identifying defense policy issues for an incoming to understand, the military is also on high operational alert, according to a Joint Staff official.
The next president is likely to face a major international crisis within his first nine months in office, according to a senior group of business advisers to the defense secretary.
Accordingly, the Defense Business Board says the new administration should set a goal to win Senate confirmation of key Pentagon posts in the first 30 days of the inauguration, in order to have a full team in place to deal with such a contingency.
Michael Bayer, chairman of the Defense Business Board and veteran Pentagon consultant, this week called for the next administration to move quickly to avoid encountering civilian leadership vacuums that often accompany political transitions.
Now, the full context of Biden's so-called "Gaff" - mind you he has already been briefed by the current administration that ANYONE elected faces a possible attack:
"We're gonna find ourselves in real trouble when we get elected. This is gonna be really hard. This is gonna be really, really, really hard. We're gonna have the largest systemic deficit in modern - not modern - in the history of the world. Literally. Literally. We're gonna find ourselves inheriting a debt, yearly debt this year, that may approach three-quarters of a trillion dollars. You hear me? We left this guy with a $232 billion surplus. At a minimum when we take office - God willing - we're gonna have a $450 billion deficit. And the way the economy is tanking the way it is now it may be as high as $750 billion."
"28 states are in serious trouble and they're about to contribute to the economic downward spiral because what are they doing? Cutting services, laying people off as they lose their tax base. So there are going to be a lot of tough decisions Barack's gonna have to make, a lot of tough decisions, including on foreign policy."
"And here's the point I want to make. Mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some really tough - I don't know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's gonna happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate. And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you, not financially to help him, we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right. Because all these decisions, all these decisions, once they're made if they work, then they weren't viewed as a crisis. If they don't work, it's viewed as you didn't make the right decision, a little bit like how we hesitated so long dealing with Bosnia and dealing with Kosovo, and consequently 200,000 people lost their lives that maybe didn't have to lose lives. It's how we made a mistake in Iraq. We made a mistake in Somalia. So there's gonna be some tough decisions. They may emanate from the Middle East. They may emanate from the sub-continent. They may emanate from Russia's newly-emboldened position because they're floating in a sea of oil."