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dermahrk says: We are being overtaken by the Pod People - the Mog Music Network. Bloggers who don't post tunes or videos, have nothing to say and say it endlessly, and don't interact. They suck.
I have to agree. We seem to be overrun of late by self-aggrandizing links to posts of little or no interest. (to be fair, some of them are very interesting), but the point is.....I guess its becoming depersonalized or something. So many provide links to their works of wonder but take no time to interact.
Oh well. Here we have before us The Band covering the Sam Cooke Classic "A Change Is Gonna Come"
IN these most curious times one thing seems clear A Change Is Coming. With the population waiting, hoping.......
The ominous ugly question hovers over us, like clouds of toxic distrust. Will we all gather and accept the results?
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They have some good leads to some intresting stuff but you are right, they interact even less than I do..........
Q: ARE WE NOT MEN? A: WE ARE DEVO!
That boogie boy rules! ;-)
"have you got the papers that chinaman has given you?"
Mark Mothersbaugh = genius.
And now he writes music for Nickelodeon
"were pinheads all - Jocko Homo"
Now everything's a little upside-down, as a matter of fact the Wheels have stopped. What's Good is Bad, What's Bad Is Good.
>>>We have crusty old republicans screaming gender discrimination,
>>>>We got dyed-in-the-wool Feminists slamming a working mom for being a working mom.
>>>>We've got Oprah World in near-revolt because she won't book a successful, popular, powerful working mom
>>>>We've got a man of the people and a man of the people. One wants my gun & my wallet, the other wants my porno & my wallet.
>>>>Here on the Mog folks post smarmy condescending comments and no one calls them on it. God how we need Fedge right now.
>>>>We got Bill Mahr, (that pillar of the right) saying he thought Chris Matthews & Keith Olbermann clearly wanted to have sex with one of the presidential candidates. Objective? yeah, and I'm the rightful king of Ireland.
am i digging the choonage!
as for the MMN, they're pretty above the radar that it's not that hard to scroll them by. i am still intending tho to make an effort to interact in the hopes they will talk back - if i am feeling sociable, which may never happen. ;D
And speaking of not being very sociable here I am, been using a feed reader for keeping tabs on mog and very grateful the msn no longer evades the filters here. Not sure what the next step would be, perhaps a seperate bog network category for those wishing to browse the blogs and the mogosphere would be clear of them...doubt this would go over.
Jeff could you supply the link to the post that dermark made this comment on? Or was it a post?
There is a filter that you can use to filter those posts out if you wanna.
That aside, like I've said elsewhere, I like the extra content. I don't really see how it is a bad thing to have more stuff to read (especially for me, because I don't haunt other sites), but even so, not ALL people here have to be communicative (hi Neill! :*). We got plenty of talkers, and now we got plenty of extra reading material. So what?
Anyway, just my 2 Euros. Cheers to all, nonetheless :)
A- Your two euros are worth more than my two cents with the current state of our economy ;)
ahhahahahahaha
And 2 liters of oil gas make us both immaterial. Eck!
Gee, an innocuous comment buried on your post goes front-and-center. Not that I mind.
Yes, we can always scroll past them. But this morning I went through some 57 pages of the M-O-S, having not been on since Labor Day. Rough guess? The Blog Network now makes up 50% of the content, and I suspect as the community of the self-involved bloggers becomes more aware of this, that will increase.
. Sometimes there are 6 or 7 Blog Network posts in a row. God knows we have enough junk on here - self-promoting posts from the talentless, self-promoting posts from the talented (usually limited to 2 posts, then out..). What does this say to someone new to the site, checking it out? That the M-O-S is full of crap.
Why don't you just use the filter, Mark?
deadmandeadman, about those smarmy condescending comments, I know I should control myself better sometimes, but it's hard to mess with God's will. I hope for change. I heard somewhere that it's good to have hope. I'm all right; it's the world that's messed up.
Anna, using the filter is all well and good but how do you expect to find other new moggers and posts that are good and not from your trusteds if the filter only shows your trusteds?
Still the only solution I see is a catergorizing (and grouping, hint, hint)
Sorry that some of you are not digging the MMN blog posts. I've been looking at a lot of those posts and there are quite a few interesting posts along with some that I don't care to read. But so far it is bringing news, reviews, some songs and some opinion to MOG that enhances the site. As we all know, for each of us, because of our individual interests, there has always been a mix of more interesting posts and less interesting posts.
As you know, the MMN is very new and we are in the process of getting the MMN music bloggers up to speed about MOG and our community here. I am hoping that they will want to participate.
I hope you'll give this some time and the benefit of the doubt.
sp- categorising
and why doesn't firefox spellcheck work in here?
We trust you Michael, we're just a nit picky bunch.
now abut that Hyman guy...
I think people (and I'm one of 'em) lament the old school way of viewing MOG by using the MOS/All method. There was time where we were all somewhat connected and I miss that. Well,I actually came in at the tail of it, but that was the way I met everybody.
Bruce had this recent post with Mog father and Mr. Goldberg that also addressed this
I realize the filters are the way to go, but it would be cool if the bloggers mogged back!
I said this at Bruce's..
I have no problem with bloggers, but unlike people who come for content only, they are bringing something to the table and asking us to look at it. I have commented, but I haven't got anything back yet.
I feel the same way about bloggers and moggers:If you start a conversation and someone takes the time to answer it, you should answer back. I mean I don't expect an answer when I just say "nice post," but if someone brings dinner and I bring dessert...
All I'm saying is that if you want comments, give comments. Maybe if the blog doesn't want comments it should be designated a NEWS Blog..
At first I had a little trepidation about commenting on MOG newspeoples posts, but I started to comment and newspeople commented back, and all of a sudden we were Mogging. That's what I'm talking about.
I remember long ago when David was telling us that as the site got larger cliques would develop just by the nature of the size of the MOS. He was right about that and it seems to work out fine. Still though, a MOG 101 is a good idea, because we never want the community and conversation clique to be over run by the information clique. Ultimately it would be great if the two did not have to be seperate. I'm willing to see if that can happen.
Anna, B42 said it well. I have two qualities:
1) I am an optimist. I never filter the M-O-S because I might miss someone new who's interesting. I always, always scan every page.
2) I am a crank. I enjoy complaining, and am willing to give you lessons on becoming a bitter, old man (well...two out of three...)
"because we never want the community and conversation clique to be over run by the information clique", I don't believe this would happen given the welcoming nature of the mogos and by not having the blogs in the mix I think people would concentrate and comment more on the individual/personal aspects of the non mmn-blog posts.
Optimists and Cranks Unite!
There are no solutions, only new problems yet to be confronted ;)
I enjoy some of the blogs..I guess Metal Sucks is my fave so far.
There is some quality content on a lot of the blogs, (not really sure if Metal sucks is my cup of tea), it's just finding a place for them here. I don't think they mix well in the general scope of the mogos.
Aside the blogs that belong to MOGgers, I mostly enjoy Drowned in Sound, Indie Music Filter, Fuck Yeah! Go Team!, Chasing Lions, There Goes The Fear, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.
Mark, I love cranky, bitter old men. Hell, I even want to be one when I grow up (would you really like a blogger like me commenting back to you? haha)
Anna, maybe we should recruit you to write up the mog 101, with your manners and sense of wit the newbies would be sure to come to their senses,...or be gone in a hurry. (Maybe we could call Jess back up to give you a hand ;)
ahhahahaha Me, pick me!
I promise to show my usual disregard for eloquence, use so many sexual insinuations that there's gonna be nothing left to actually insinuate, and violate the English grammar.
I took a look at Mog Music Network Blogs in search of something to read. There's a lot there, but, at the same time, nothing at all. At this time, I feel like the movie character "Murphy Jones," who walked out of a slasher flick playing at the local theater because he "saw no reason to repeat the experience" of working in a cattle slaughterhouse. The foci of MMN bloggers is so narrow that it reminds me of cable TV narrowcasting taken to the Nth degree. Would I dream of doing a World or Music of Hawaii Blog? Not now. I know so little about World and Hawaiian music that I'd be called out on some pronouncement too suite. Plus, one needs to have something to say to "do the website/Blog thing." I'll keep looking over this side of MOG and "sample the waters" for now.
Hey, this is quite a dialog and I thank you all for your comments. There are many excellent points made here, but there is one other point worth considering; We all have lives, you know? And in our lives there are many things we have to do, there are many things we want to do, and time is finite. I sit down at the computer to see what's up at MOG. I don't mind scrolling as I, like Mark n many others, read each page. I don't wanna miss something. There are no doubt many wonderful places to visit, but as of yet none has captured my interest enough to 'bookmark' or anything. But I rule nothing out.
And just as an aside.....Spike you're always witty, wise, and informative. Your posts and comments may sometimes be pointed and spikey, but you're usually tryin' for smiles, not for blood. I have never known you to make a condescending remark.
Very informative. As a newbee who's often cautious to post due to the "harsh" comments I've eyeballed, I have balked at the plate. But perhaps now I have a better sense of what is what and who is who. Thanks for setting a novice like me straight. BUT I have always sort of held back in the shadows for the first hour at a party, check things out, find where I fit, if I fit...guessthat's my way here too. But thanks for the words all.
And one more thing--I've been have a time figuring out the technology. Songs don't post, videos don't post... Hard to get involved when things aren't working (food for thought?).
Hey Klyde, if you're here that means you fit. I get a good feeling you're going to become a welcome addition to the mog collective ;)
Don't worry Klyde..you're in. users of this site may bring some heat from time to time, but the forum is worth getting excited about to me.
yo!
point taken. we've been noticing the lack of integration ourselves. so i've got to ideas.
1 - we've created a MOG 101 document for MMN members explaining to them that this is a community with advice on how to assimilate and be good community members. they're all getting this on monday.
2 - offer a "mog posts only" filter? (which sucks and is a band-aid, but i can understand).
"Strength is irrelevant. Resistance is futile. We wish to improve ourselves. We will add your musical, biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service ours."
sincerely, the Brain
For whatever reason, I hadn't checked out Bon Iver. But I saw this MMN blog post
http://mog.com/blog_post/content/36/18697
And I downloaded the songs and liked them a lot and then bought their album, For Emma, Forever Ago, and now I'm a fan.
Just as I've gotten turned on to a lot of great music via Moggers, I'm sure the MMN bloggers are going to turn me on to more good music too.
Agreed Michael, it's just that you have to find a space for them. The problem seems to be the automatic feed, no real thought is going into adding the post to Mog, the thrill of writing, commenting, debate, the agony of posts and comments eaten, these are things that brought us together in the first place. For auto feed blogs there is none of the learning curve involved, set it and forget it. It's not "Mogging" as we have come to know it.
i gotta think a blogger puts the same effort in. my feeling is, it probably happened to much too fast. no gestation period. no time for them/moggers to accliamate
Wait, what's Mogger Music Network? I feel a little out of it since I the only thing I noticed that's happening differently is a slew of posts coming in with just songs and no comments, really which I just ignore if I wanna. Also, I was just telling someone the other day that I really love the civliized and friendly way Moggers interact with each other. I've learned so much from so many of you!
Love,
Pollyanna
pollyanna, omg, rofl, lol...
David, thought does go into writing the post and a it's lot of work for some of the more creative, granted, but because it's not solely aimed at mog it gets diffused or neglected. That's the difference between Music News posts and Mogger's posts.
I'm just sayin'
Hey, Pollyanna, c'mere. I wanna slap you! ;-)
wow....I'm late to the party, as usual so my 2 cents will go mostly unread. However, I'm self absorbed enough to spout my words regardless.
I MOG because of the community. I have made some amazing friends, people I have met in real life, some people I have hosted in my home...because of the give and take and personal life sharing of MOG. There is nothing out there like this and Hyman should go to bed proud of his baby. Thank you.
A big part of the charm of this site is the warmth the MOGGERs, especially in welcoming new MOGGERS, in welcoming the people who are here for the community experience. While I do enjoy the Blogger's posts, I feel like most of them are akin to reading a magazine article...and I can comment my fool head off, but they aren't going to respond, any more than my most recent issue of SPIN is going to talk back to me. These Bloggers aren't MOGGERS.
I want the ability to separate the B's from the M's...but to still comment on the Blogger's content, just in case I can convince them to become part of the community that is MOG.
If this becomes overrun with one-sided conversations, it no longer will be the MOG I fell in love with.
ok, maybe that was more than 2 cents.
And worth a lot more, too...
David,
You know how I feel about this...and I would appreciate both suggestions 1 & 2 to be put in place.
Thank you for listening and understanding,
Annie Anderson (annieander)
yes annie. getting closer....
dang
i really don't know what to say
i have no real excuse for not participating much anymore
i will get off my ass and do better
I LOVE THESE PPL AND THIS PLACE
RAWK ME MOG
Well I'm new and Trying to figure it all out. I like these guys, so hear this..