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Surrender

Posted over 2 years ago
SurrenderSurrenderBut don't give yourself awaySurrenderSurrenderBut don't give yourself awaySurrenderSurrenderBut don't give yourself away.I'm waiting for some candidate to denounce MOVE ON.ORG as the elitest facist entity that it is. But after asserting in 06 that ' move on' (in the words of founder and chief financier George Soros) "owns the democratic party" they have moved the party ever leftward, brutaly punishing ANY democrat that doesn't "toe the line".Joe Lieberman will attest to that.So the chances of any of the current crop of candidates speaking out against the cancer in their midst is almost nil.Meanwhile the republicans will not fight. And we here on the far side are left to sort through the facts, factiods, lies, spins, unspoken assumptions, comedic routines and mistated statements lookin' for the light. Broadcast news is no help, the major networks have long since dropped the pretense of impartiality. Cable news sings to chiors. Newspaper readership is shrinking faster than Obama's credibility. But the smear campaign launched against Gen Petreus dirtys us all.Its shameful.
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  1. scotfree
    scotfree says Yep, ain't it a shame. The Dems are gonna infight themselves right out of it again, leaving the GOP to lead us right off the cliff. Ain't that a shame.
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  2. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Your comment is so true. There is evidence now that the Clinton campaign may be putting the brakes on their own leftward drift. Hillary has spoken several times in the past of the necessity of keeping American troops in Iraq through next summer. I know various blogs have clobbered her for it, though reading transcripts of her speeches she hasn't strayed far from the ranch, its not the position of the surrender now wing of her party. If she truely stakes out a more "centrist" position (though still way left), she'll gather enough swing votes to keep Obama out of the running. AH>>>But has Obama heard the siren call? Can he relinquish his following, subsume his own desires for the good of the party? It shall all play out.
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  3. Marigold
    Marigold says both parties are fucked IMO. What is America's fascination with bloated government? Even the Republicans are spending like drunken sailors. Why won't people wake up and take some damn responsibility for themselves and stop looking for the government to bail their asses out. God it pisses me off. It is wrong for me to go steal my neighbor's money. But it is ok for the government to take my neighbor's money and give it to me. Nobody cares that the government keeps taking more and more our money and is not accountable at all, they mismanages it. Man is it hard to get motivated and pull the lever for some of these shmucks. One thing everyone has got to be terrified about is the words "National Healthcare"...my god people...WE DO NOT NEED THIS!
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  4. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Amen!
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  5. Marigold
    Marigold says sorry that my post was so off your general topic. But you know, I was mad and started writing all stream of conscience. It will be interesting to see how both parties primaries will shake out. As angry as politics makes me, it is pretty fascinating watching these things unfold. I do wonder sometimes if people really followed and cared about what these politicians were saying and did. Instead of believing the crap they are being fed on the nightly news the political landscape would be completly different. But this is the lot we are given. It is not surprising that most people are frusterated and appethetic to our political process. marigold...signing out.
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  6. contrabandwidth
    contrabandwidth says All candidates that make it will have to essentially be Bloombergian/Schwartzeneggarian centrists if they are going to make it. And then we're gonna have to elect a lot of law geeks to fix the mess that has been made of the system of checks and balances. I will not vote republican (lest Ron Paul makes it, and only to muck things up a little, since I disagree with a LOT of what he says) and the soap opera that is the democratic race right now needs to be thinned down to a single plot line or two. I'm already tired of it. Obama may be the only one running whose feels different enough from the business as usual candidates that dot the field. I'm tired of the dynasty mentality, I would prefer to throw them all out and start a new, look where were at because of this thinking on both sides. I know from previous postings you'll probably disagree with me, but I'm a big boy, I can take it (and give it).
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  7. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Apathy, as American as apple pie, potato salad, and jazz.
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  8. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says What's to disagree with. I think you've made an honest assessment of things as you see them. We are already suffering from election fatigue and that's too bad. Obama though is a non-starter. He'll never get the swing votes. But hey, a lot can change between now and Nov. It greatly distresses me to know that one political party here in the states has the exact same goals in the middle east as our sworn enemies. And the broadcast networks have these same goals. I shall vote for the candidate that will crack down on illegal aliens, secure the borders, keeps his party out of my gunlocker and wallet (and porno stash), and stops tryin' to push social engineering as a matter of policy.
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  9. contrabandwidth
    contrabandwidth says Are you saying I'm apathetic? Perhaps about the two parties, but not about knowing what's going on. Sure there will never be some shining knight to free us from all our ills, but I do see less and less difference between the two parties and more and more partisanship claiming how different they are. I do however believe that most Americans are not as polarized as they are made out to be. It's not the religious right/neo cons vs. the liberal elite (or whatever new name Fox news has labeled the left). There's a wide swath of grey that most people live in that can't be defined Red or Blue. I certainly don't believe there is one answer, all is well if I vote for candidate X, but I will continue to follow what I think is right within the set system to hopefully change it in whatever small way I can. I'd be a fool to think the gov't has my best interests at heart, or even cares one iota about me. But it doesn't mean I wont work to make what I think is fair or just right.
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  10. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says I was not saying that you were apathetic. I was responding to a random thought expressed by Marigold. You Mr Contrabandwidth obviously pay attention, if you mingle with like-minded citizens all day I envy you. Nine out of Ten people I meet couldn't name the Speaker of The House, The minority whip, or even the current secratary of State. And our system of government depends on an informed electorate!.
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  11. contrabandwidth
    contrabandwidth says Yes, it's a sad fact. Unfortunately were inundated by "professional opinion" and little fact. I try to stay away from too much op-ed stuff or talking head media. Sad thing is most people agree that this thing we have is broken, but we can't really get it together to fix it. As you said, apathy. I guess that's the surest way to control the masses.
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  12. FastRMacR
    FastRMacR says Great post! Nice thread. I care! Jekyll Island .. look it up. The problems started there. Thomas Jefferson said never let this country have a national bank. That's the issue - The Federal Reserve is in control. The Democrats are The Gambinos and The Republican's are The Genoveses - it's organized CRIME. There are minor differences between all the candidates - but the same things are going to happen if we don't hold our leaders accountable to the The Constitution. We live in a Constitutional Republic....NOT a Democracy. Right now we're like the frog in gradually warming water of corrupt election. It's time to jump out of the bowl. I don't follow the 'democracy' spin word - and I don't subscribe to The New World Order plan. I think the "Dream Police" have been making us "Surrender". I for one want to 'Get Up Stand Up"!
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  13. ZeppoNoir
    ZeppoNoir says I stoppped believing in political parties a while back when I came to the conclusion that they just keep people polarized and blind to what's REALLY going on, and that's the dissolution of American soverienty, the destruction of the dollar and the erosion of our individual rights. And this happens because American's are basically ignorant, apathetic or both....all by design. Bob knows what's going on...
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  14. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Yes he does......
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  15. waydutch
    waydutch says Move On once had my respect when they were talking about social security fairness and removing caps and class injustice. And, yes, I would like to see some socialization of health care. However Move On has gotten full of them self and overly latched on to the rather ridiculous idea of anything less than immediate withdrawal is unacceptable. They've also gone all sleazy and resorting to Gunboat Veterans for Truth types of tactics. They've lost me. As much as we never should have gotten into this mess, we can't just flat out drop it now But, man did Bush fuck us up.
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  16. Iren
    Iren says I grew up in a Republican family, in a solidly socialist town... that's why in the words of my good buddy Big Tony, 'I can think enough for my self that I don't feel that I need to choose a side".... I've always been a independent thinker, and if I had to choose a side it would be 'none of the above'... if people would just let go of the fear of loosing we might get someone in office that isn't toeing the party line... for my money the last good president we had was Ike back in the 50's... anyone that was offered the presidential nom by both parties and then threatened the leadership of their own party with disillusion if they didn't play along... that's the kind of person that we need running our government... Guys like Ross Perot and Ron Paul might never win, but at least they spoke their minds...
    Permalink posted 09/11/2007
  17. sunscream
    sunscream says LOL
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  18. dermahrk
    dermahrk says Ah, DMDM, you may've driven another independent thinker, Marigold, out of the shadows. Congratulations. I wasted a vote on Ross Perot back in the day - the idea of fiscal responsibility was unique and attracted me to that nutjob gnome. Of course, all I did was help elect President Blowjob.
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  19. Alien8n
    Alien8n says Ah the good ol US of A. The second most corrupt "Democracy" in the world. After my own Great Britain of course ;) Strange how both countries are being run by the losing parties in their last elections...
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  20. River Lethe
    River Lethe says I'm disgusted by all of it. Guy Fawkes had the right idea. No, we're not in a democracy, we're in a bureaucracy at best. Socrates didn't think democracy was the best way to go anyway (actually second from the worst). Contra said, "Sad thing is most people agree that this thing we have is broken, but we can’t really get it together to fix it." This is the biggest problem. How exactly do we wrest power from the idiots spending all our money? I'm all for smaller government, but I have a question for those of you bemoaning social medicine. Why don't you have a problem with other socialized agencies, like police and firefighters? Why does everyone bitch about the "threat" of socialized healthcare? Do you like paying ridiculous premiums on your insurance (if you have it), only to have a company concerned more about their bottom line deny valid claims (or at least make you fight tooth and nail for them)? It seems like you should also be bitching about the tax dollars taken from you to support emergency services. I mean how many times have you used 911? Aren't police more active in less-than-savory neighborhoods? For those of you so demonizing positive aspects of socialism, some of the arguments sure sound like Social Darwinism.
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  21. River Lethe
    River Lethe says Oh, and I agree MoveOn has gone off the deep end (not as bad as PETA, but still). And I'm not try to start any crap with anyone, I just wanted to pose that question above. And also, for the record, I have no party loyalties; I vote by issue and by person.
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  22. steve simon
    steve simon says now this is the kind of rant i like to see on MOG. as a bleeding heart liberal, i have to begrudgingly agree
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  23. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Socialized medicine would be a catastrophy! (you don't get care, you're a smoker, you don't get healthcare, you're obese. You don't get care, you're a rock climber. You don't get care, you're only a garbage man) We have all cussed the gov's ability to foul up everything, and we want gov administering health care? No friggin' way. (you need a hip? come back in 2010, you need a liver? You're a drinker? No way.) Once taxpayer monies fund healthcare the facists will crawl out of the woodwork. Our lives will no longer be our own.
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  24. steve simon
    steve simon says but quasi socialized medicine would be great if the freaking govt just gave every citizen x amount of dollars and we could shop around and use those dollars where and when we wanted to. simple, isn't it? same with educaton
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  25. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Sure. But how 'bout making healthcare affordable!
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  26. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says use those dollars where and when we wanted to. simple, isn’t it? same with educaton Watch it, don't you know School Vouchers siphon monies away from the NEA, I mean, public education?
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  27. steve simon
    steve simon says i am all for affordable healthcare, who isn't? affordable healthcare should be the most bi partisan thing ever, no?
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  28. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Si! So why no tort reform?
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  29. steve simon
    steve simon says hmm, in theory i get it and am not adverse to it, but ahh, the details are everything. i am more out too lunch politically than i used to be. let me think...........
    Permalink posted 09/12/2007
  30. River Lethe
    River Lethe says I'd go for reform, but how can you address this without attacking (or at least severely altering) the capitalistic nature of the medical industry? Same with education. They've become businesses as opposed to services. Services which should ultimately be contributing to making a better state.
    Permalink posted 09/13/2007
  31. steve simon
    steve simon says it is tough, but in theory they could be services that provide great value but also could be businesses....what's wrong with that?
    Permalink posted 09/13/2007
  32. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Same with education. They’ve become businesses as opposed to services. Services which should ultimately be contributing to making a better state." Bless your little socialist head. Bush 2 tried to make healthcare the responsibility of the individual. He introduced legislation that would drive down healthcare costs, and with tax breaks and other incentives he would have divorced healthcare from employment. Of course tort reform was a component of this. Well we know that some in congress (sadly, mostly dems) are bitterly opposed to personal responsibility, and the John Edwards (both dems & repubs) in congress would rather take out their own eyes with a teaspoon rather than close the spigot on big bucks settlements. Education? HA! As long as the NEA has a stranglehold on public education there will be no real reform. We will continue to turn out dumb as stumps high school graduates but they'll feel really good about themselves.
    Permalink posted 09/13/2007
  33. River Lethe
    River Lethe says I'll admit I have some socialist tendencies, but again, I pose the unanswered question: why bristle at socialized medicine and education, but not at other socialized programs like law enforcement and firefighters? Should we be paying individually for these services as well? If not, why and what's the difference? You've only parroted the Bush party line we've all heard for years, but I'm still waiting on an explanation for exactly how the above proposed legislation would help the lower class (and most of the middle class), which is the majority of the country? And to say that Dems are bitterly opposed to personal responsibility is ridiculous if you're also suggesting that GOPs aren't. Seems to me the majority of ethics scandals the past several years have been from the right side. I don't trust any of them. I'll agree the personal responsibility part is one of the harder problems to address. There's always going to be people that take advantage of the system, but I hardly think they're the majority. There's a conservative fear that production and the economy would come crashing to a halt if some of these things are realized. But if you look to the majority of the other democracies, they are making it work. Yes, there are problems, yes there might be longer waits, but I bet you'd be hard-pressed to find someone in one of these countries that would be willing to trade for our system. And we're talking about other free nations, not the Middle East, China or Africa. I'm just saying there's obviously some advantages to at least partially socializing medicine. And as far as education, Bush did a bang up job on the No Child Left Behind crap. That bill effectively made money more important than actual learning. Now we have meaningless test scores and even more students that don't know how to read, write and reason. Again, I have to agree that education is helped by what the student (and good parenting) puts into it, but everyone should be able to have it on equal footing. Meanwhile, my tax dollars are being given to fund an unethical war and government waste (we still have thousands of trailers sitting here in Arkansas rotting instead of being delivered to Katrina areas) instead of helping citizens in our own country. The recent Republican Congress worked less than any Congress in history, and when the Dems took over they swore they'd change some things and we've yet to see it. So you'll excuse me if I don't find either party line rhetoric convincing.
    Permalink posted 09/14/2007
  34. River Lethe
    River Lethe says And sorry for being so aggressive, I'm just really disillusioned with our governement. I still vote and everything, but I don't really believe it makes a difference anymore. And I have no idea who I'd support right now were the elections held today. But at this point, anything will be better.
    Permalink posted 09/14/2007

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