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has there been a better punk band since rancid?

Posted over 5 years ago
i know this is in the same vain as the nirvana post, but what can i say? this is some insightful shit. so for me, "and out come the wolves" was the last great punk record, regardless of its clash derivitiveness. green day never cut it.thoughts? please educate me if i'm wrong.
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  1. SatisfiedMind614
    SatisfiedMind614 says "And Out Came The Wolves" should be passed out in elementary schools....that is a NO to answer your question
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  2. SatisfiedMind614
    SatisfiedMind614 says Unles the Thermals qualify as punk....i guess Punk Rock is in the ear of the beholder
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  3. david hyman
    david hyman says satisfied, when i go to mogs like me, your close to the top. that is why you are my spiritual brother. cheers to yours and my great taste. ; )
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  4. SatisfiedMind614
    SatisfiedMind614 says Right back at you SB(spiritual brother)....these are my favorite kind of mog posts....the discussion starters! And call me Blair....like the witch project
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  5. Nixne Svix
    Nixne Svix says refused ...hands down the best punk album. Shape of Punk to Come, The New Noise Theology, Songs to Fan the Flames of Discontent every punk neo band wishes they could make the "Shape of Punk to Come"
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  6. david hyman
    david hyman says so, the band name is "refused"?
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  7. Nixne Svix
    Nixne Svix says
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  8. RobinH
    RobinH says Mmm. Depends if you are talking about bands or records. The problem with punk bands is they seem to either have a very short life span, therefore staying fairly true to the/their sound, or if they manage to keep going for a longer period, evolving into something else... less punk but more something else. If you were asking about an album post-'And Out Come The Wolves' then Sing Sing Death House - The Distillers would be one I would suggest. Thinking of a band in relation to the whole output might be harder.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  9. Nixne Svix
    Nixne Svix says sorry , im drogging a bit... a swedish punk group who peaked with " The Shape..." and then broke up. i know its a bit familiar thewse days but the album"The shape" must be heard in its full length , as all great albums. sorry for the dischord...no pun intended...
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  10. david hyman
    david hyman says nixne, this is some form of frigggin electronica punk. come on. included? it's pretty fucking good. but if this is included, so should rage against machine.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  11. Nixne Svix
    Nixne Svix says listen to the whole album....rancid? at least say Op Ivy....
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  12. SatisfiedMind614
    SatisfiedMind614 says When I hear this tune especially i think to my self, here is America's 'Clash'.....and I mean that in the good way!
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  13. Nixne Svix
    Nixne Svix says or Against Me! (" a former clarity") best i got at this hour , sir
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  14. Nixne Svix
    Nixne Svix says do you have to fake a brit accent to cut it? I ask respectfully.....then ask one ....what defines "punk"? then you must ask where its true roots lie....im too tired , ill take my answer off the air. thank you ie....Stooges versus Clash
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  15. Iren
    Iren says maybe not the reached the masses in the way that Rancid did... however a lot of people, me included, feel that Turbonegro's Apocalypse Dudes was the last great punk record.. I also liked The Thermals record from the past year, but it hasn't sunk into me the way that Apocalypse Dudes did....
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  16. d0gstar
    d0gstar says Refused - Shape of Punk to Come "available here":http://mogroith.multiply.com/music/item/1131 Dillinger Four - Situationist Comedy Riverboat Gamblers - haven't heard their record, but saw them opening for Rollins and X this summer
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  17. Iren
    Iren says Silly me all this talk about albums got me thinking we were talking about the last great punk album... when you asked about great Punk Band... in that case I still have to go with Turbonegro... I have been a cult band in the states but have become huge in various parts of europe and seem to have done what a lot of other bands only dream of.... they have cultivated an underground cult that rivals that of The Misfits..
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  18. kat3260
    kat3260 says I don't think any of these _TOP_ Rancid, but Pennywise, Bouncing Souls, and Avail put out some good albums after. Oh, and definitely Refused and the Dropkick Murphys. But I don't love any of them as much as I love "...And Out Come The Wolves"...
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  19. Zeroskilz
    Zeroskilz says What about Flogging Molly's Drunken Lullabies? It might be a bit too recent to seriously consider, but it's a great album from start to finish.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  20. s69johnson
    s69johnson says I concur with Turbonegro. I think Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Plasmatics, and Black Flag for older groups.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  21. chulsmith
    chulsmith says good question. me loves loves loves ...and out come the wolves. but me also loves: kid dynamite - s/t dillinger four - this shit is genius the loved ones - keep your heart have heart - the things we carry
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  22. kat3260
    kat3260 says yeah...just listened to the first half of "And Out Come The Wolves"...I'm definitely sticking with you on this one DH. That album is where it's at...I can't put any of the more recent ones above it. Green Day is cool, but more pop-punk to me.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  23. gradys kitchen
    gradys kitchen says Apples and oranges time. ...And Out Come the Wolves is more of a ska album then straight forward punk. That being said, the only thing that I heard that came close to the intensity and catchiness of Out Come the Wolves is Destruction by Definition by The Suicide Machines. Also, by the time Rancid released their swan song, the best Mighty Mighty Bosstone albums were behind them, but I would recommend these discs to any ska/punk fans who have never picked them up, judging the band solely on its one radio hit "Impression That I Get".
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  24. Anna
    Anna says (Ignore me, as I'm punk illiterate, I just wanted to say how pleased I am to witness that e-bonding up there :) )
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  25. River Lethe
    River Lethe says Let's wait and see if the new Stooges record will be any good. . .
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  26. kat3260
    kat3260 says yeah, good call River
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  27. MisterBo
    MisterBo says Since Rancid? I don't know. I don't even think Rancid's that great a band. "...And Out Come The Wolves" is an amazing album, but they've never even been close to creating something like that again. And don't even get me started with the single "Fall Back Down" dreadful song, and having Kelly Osbourne and one of the Good Charlotte dudes in the video...ugh... As career I'd have to go with Pennywise, great albums all around. They do date Rancid by 2 or 3 years though. I think the question should go back some years and be, Has there been a better punk band since Bad Religion or Nofx? That answer would be, no there hasnt.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  28. 1234chainsaw
    1234chainsaw says To be honest, '90s California punk never really did it for me, either in its ska-punk or its pop-punk variants, so for me a short answer would be that hell yeah there have been better punk bands since Rancid. (I like MisterBo's Bad Religion version of the question much better.) But, to be constructive, I have some suggestions here. I also second Turbonegro and Refused.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  29. champy
    champy says Out Come The Wolves was the first CD I ever purchased. I can sing every lyric on that album and sometimes my friends freak out. Last "great" punk album though...?
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  30. Known Human
    Known Human says Well, according to my research, MC5's cover of Tutti-Fruitti on 1970's "Back in the USA" is the first punk song, managing to compress the entire track into what, 90 seconds, thus establishing the sound later to be known as punk. So, true punk songs are actually covers of early rock and pop songs. That means Me First and the Gimme Gimmes are the most punk band ever. And they just put out an album two months or so ago.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  31. pETULENTfRENZY9000
    pETULENTfRENZY9000 says I also agree with Turbonegro,and River brings up a good point of let's see how that new Stooges album sounds (with Mike Watt on bass no less)....should be awesome. I'd also like to remind some of ya that NOMEANSNO is still out there kickin it.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  32. Hmmm
    Hmmm says Rise Against, Bear Vs. Shark, Flogging Molly, and Pilot to Gunner all get my vote. And MAYBE Tiger army.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  33. Iren
    Iren says If you want to talk about first gen punk bands that are still alive kicking, and making good to great albums, you have to mention: Social Distortion T.S.O.L. The Damned Radio Birdman The New York Dolls all of which have put out solid records since the release of Out Come the Wolves...
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  34. bubb
    bubb says Yes, Bad Religion!
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  35. Mike the Knife
    Mike the Knife says It's more punk-rock to not give a rat's ass about such distinctions. But, hair-splitting about style out the window, here are some votes for Bad Religion, Rage and the Breeders. (And if you speed up any Pixies song, it's at least as "punk" as Rancid's super-fun, but totally derivative ska-punk - and smarter.)
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  36. adam judy
    adam judy says i prefer to think of punk as a cultural movement rather than a musical genre. its unfair to group rubbish like green day and rancid or any of those other pop punk outfits alongside bands such as the clash or the sex pistols. punk was always more about the attitude and the style than the music. now im probably gonna be spat on....
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  37. 1234chainsaw
    1234chainsaw says Kudos to Mike for calling Rancid on their derivativeness. Also add at least Buzzcocks and Stiff Little Fingers to Iren's list. Adam raises questions that were discussed a few days ago on another thread. (As my comment there reveals, I agree with him to a certain extent.) We need a thread merger!
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  38. Iren
    Iren says I'd like to respectfully address Adam calling Green Day and Rancid rubbish... while I don't think that either band is up to the standards of The Ramones or The Clash, both have released entertaining music that I and that others have enjoyed. Dismissal of a band that someone loves tends to shut the people who love them out of this kind of conversation which seems to be more intended to provoke people to think than to declare a truth. I always recall what Frank Black of the Pixies (at least I have attributed this comment to him for years) said when asked about Rancid and Green Day which went something like this "I don't need to listen to Rancid or Green Day when I have records by The Clash and the Damned". Which to me always meant that each generation has it's own punk icons and there is no need to slag off the new generations heroes.... I have also come to realize that if 10% of the kids who pick up a Rancid or Green Day are inspired to pick up a record by The Clash or Stiff Little Fingers then that is a good thing... Also yes punk has always been about the attitude, how else do such varied sounding bands as: The Cramps, The Talking Heads, Television, Blondie, The Deadboys, and the Ramones got lumped under the punk tag not to mention people talking about Johnny Cash and NWA being punk ... at the same time I think that we can all hear that there is a sonic style that is 'punk'..... i.e. stripped down loud fast snotty rock n roll...
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  39. chucky
    chucky says "..And Out Came the Wolves" was a great album and I can't think of many other whole albums that I love as much, so I'll concur. RobinH mentioned SingSingDeathHouse, which would definitely be a contender in my book.
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  40. stackdj
    stackdj says Might want to try "Weird Love Makers" and "Knockout Pills". I have been getting a kick out of them lately. My post on them is here.... http://mog.com/stackdj/blog_post/9404
    Permalink posted 12/29/2006
  41. LyricalRevolution
    LyricalRevolution says I'm for The Pixies.
    Permalink posted 12/30/2006
  42. adam judy
    adam judy says ok rubbish might have seemed slightly obnoxious, but this is a discussion intended to provoke a reaction. i never proclaimed to be speaking the truth, just my opinion.
    Permalink posted 12/30/2006
  43. jenny
    jenny says Hi, David. I've got nothing against Rancid, but if that's the last punk band you got into, there's a lot to check out. Here are some recent punk bands I love FM Knives Chlorox Girls Observers (All three in the Buzzcocks/Red Kross family) Parts & Labor (Husker Du-ish) Ponys (garage with Richard Hell-ish vocals) Exploding Hearts (Ramones) The pAper chAse (no references spring to mind, but definitely punk) Liars (first album mostly...they're still good but not as punk) Mission of Burma Yeah Yeah Yeahs Be Your Own Pet River City Tanlines (girl-fronted garage punk with a little metallic-ness) Wet Confetti Swan Island (These two are in the Delta 5/Au Pairs/Go4 family and both from Portland) French Toast (Dischord family, spooky synth punk) Coachwhips (Pure blues punk chaos, unfortunately now R.I.P.) Ex-Models (post-punk, super-short-spike-y songs...Go4 undergoing electro-shock treatment) Archie Bronson Outfit (definitely in G04 family but bluesier) The Mae Shi (Much like Ex-Models, songs under 1 minute, bizarre, acquired taste but brilliant) I am mostly excluding pure garage punk bands like Dirtbombs, Little Killers, Mr. Airplane Man, etc. because the list is already ridiculously long. I'd also highly recommend Terre T's show on WFMU from 3-6 on Saturday afternoons if you like punk and want to hear new bands. (It's archived if you're busy Saturdays.) There's a hell of a lot going on in this genre right now, and none of it is on major labels or normal radio stations. best, Jenny
    Permalink posted 12/30/2006
  44. 1234chainsaw
    1234chainsaw says As always, Jenny's got a fuller story. Some of the bands she mentions I've yet to check out. I linked to a post partly about Observers, so yay for that. FM Knives are excellent (and from Sacramento); sadly they broke up after only one record. Clorox Girls (from the Bay Area) are excellent as well; their first album is better than the second. Big props also to Ponys, Exploding Hearts, Mission Of Burma, Coachwhips, early Liars, and garage-punk. Now let's let pogo-ing resume . . .
    Permalink posted 12/30/2006
  45. foolonthehill
    foolonthehill says I'm obviously late to this conversation, but just wanted to say how great And Out Come the Wolves is. It was honestly the last new punk album I listened to before losing interest (Indie rock like Sebadoh and Dinosaur Jr. were next in the progression). Loved Op Ivy also (too bad they didn't make a couple more albums!) and Bouncing Souls and Pennywise and on and on and on. I even enjoyed the poppy end of it all in the mid 90's: Jawbreaker, Face to Face, Screeching Weasel (all Lookout bands) NOFX, etc. In response to Jenny and chainsaw, I agree with some of that list (The Observers, FM Knives, good call on those) but I don't consider all of those bands punk. Mission of Burma, though great, pretty much defined Post-Punk which was anti-punk. And the Yeah Yeah Yeahs I guess look a little punk (is it possible to actually look punk?) but for me their music is much more garage rock. Either way, a lot of great bands on that list! Hopefully it'll start a new conversation.
    Permalink posted 12/31/2006
  46. jenny
    jenny says Hah, snagged on the punk/post-punk barbed wire fence again. I thought of a couple more, which may also be post-something or other, but if you like punk, you'll probably enjoy. The Ex (20-year running dutch outfit, rampaging drums, super political lyrics) Aframes (stark, minimal, nightmarish, brilliant and, oddly, on Sub Pop)
    Permalink posted 01/01/2007
  47. david hyman
    david hyman says thanks jenny!
    Permalink posted 01/01/2007
  48. 1234chainsaw
    1234chainsaw says A Frames are great but I prefer their pre-Sub Pop output (OK, their first two records were released on a friend's label, so I may be partial). They sound too futuristic for me to count them as punk, though.
    Permalink posted 01/02/2007

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