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Last night, I spent the evening at a cookout getting to know my new neighbors. We are sitting around and just shooting the shit, and the radio is on the classic rock station in the background. I started complaining because they played Mony Mony by Billy Idol – because that is not classic rock. This led to a friendly debate with one of my neighbors about what classic rock is.He felt that the designation “classic rock” was applicable to any rock song that became a classic. So, for instance, he felt that one day “Smells Like Teen Spirit” would be considered classic rock. I argued that classic rock could only be from the 70s and that later songs could become classics but never classic rock. The argument went back and forth for awhile, each of us bringing up new points to support our argument. At one point, I was trying to explain that classic rock wasn’t even just the time period, but it was also a pretty specific sound. He came back with a question that stumped me and I decided to put that question to y’all. The question is this: would bands that are out today that mimic that 70s sound be considered classic rock? I don’t know the answer to that, but I can see that it would make sense to designate them as such.What do y’all think? Does the term classic rock grow to include later songs that are classics or is it just a certain time period? And, what about music around today, that might never be classics, but that have the same sound as classic rock?
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Comments (53)

  1. CrashPryor
    CrashPryor says I hear ya charles..."I argued that classic rock could only be from the 70s and that later songs could become classics but never classic rock."...Being from Virginny and all too, and having grown up with XL102's Dick Hungate...I tend to think along the same lines...SLTS will always be considered "Grunge" to me...even if it does attain "classic rock song" status...this also applies to anything else that came after the 70s stuff...but that's just me..BTW, did you drink a "Grepsi", or what?
    Permalink posted 08/19/2007
  2. 1234chainsaw
    1234chainsaw says This is almost uncanny, Ashley. I was having a similar discussion just today about what count as "oldies". would bands that are out today that mimic that 70s sound be considered classic rock? I recall having sometimes seen such bands described as having a "classic rock sound" but not called classic rock bands. I'd guess the reason is that the writer thinks that a classic rock band has to be from a certain time period. I guess that's how I, like you, have been thinking about the term as well. But it could be just a fluke of when you and I happened to be born that when we were growing up, "classic rock radio" happened to be radio playing certain sort of arena rock stuff from the '70s. Language evolves, and I guess only time will tell whether the scope of the term will expand.
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  3. annieander
    annieander says At the time, when people were listening to AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, etc., they did not consider the music to be classic rock. Progressive Rock, Heavy Metal, whatever, but certainly not classic rock. It is time and distance that has given it the designation of classic rock. So yes, music of today (indie, emo, rock that sounds suspiciously like AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin) could become classic...if they can stand the test of time. Interesting topic. Very thought provoking.
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  4. Lester Jonze
    Lester Jonze says I think that, the more time that passes, the more rock n roll falls into that genre. About twelve or so years ago, whe I was first exposed to Classic Rock as a driving force behind a radio station, the music was for sure stuck in the seventies. Bands like Yes, Led Zep, Bad Company, Skykyrd, Deep Purple, Stones, Boston, The Eagles, Bob Seger, was what was being played predominantly on the airwaves, but now you'll hear everything from Pearl Jam to Guns N Roses to even Nirvana depending on what station you hear. Classic rock itself has even splintered into sub genres of sorts. There are stations who will adhere strictly to 60's 70's music, while others will range up into the 80's and early 980's for material to play. It's all in what type of demographic they're reaching for. Anymore, anyone who thinks classic rock is just a forgotten genre of seventies music probably had his best days in the 70's
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  5. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says There's a local station here that plays "classic rock" & they play Nirvana's songs. When I first heard a Nirvana song on it I was taken aback because I didn't consider them to be. But apparently they are since the classic rock station over there is playing them too. It's just too weird since it was only 16 years ago when "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was a hit.
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  6. chucky
    chucky says Crash, what is a grepsi? Heh. Pekka, funnier still that you brought up the oldies. The term "golden oldies" was a part of my argument. I said that if classic rock could encompass music past the 70s then why didn't the oldies terminology grow to encompass music of the 70s? annie, you are right that time and distance gave it that designation. It just hard for me to picture it changing now. Lester, yeah - I have heard later music played on classic rock stations but it bugs me. And, no my best days were not before the age of 5...haha.
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  7. chucky
    chucky says Classic rock is whatever Mike Arlo plays.Actually, classic rock is hard to grasp in terms of it beginning and ending. Most radio programmers would have you believe classic rock is anything rock played in the years between 1960 and 1984(ish). That said, many 80s acts are appearing on classic rock stations when it's hard to tell if they're classic. Basically, classic rock is whatever appeals to anyone who was born in the baby boom. One day, hip-hop will be classic.
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  8. chucky
    chucky says Yes one day hip-hop will be classic, some of it already is, but it won't be classic rock. To continue the train of thought that I started in my response to August - I think the DJs can't figure out what to call music that was made in the 80s and 90s that remains popular so, out of pure laziness, it gets played on the classic rock stations instead of getting its own designation and station.
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  9. chucky
    chucky says August, see I think somebody needs to set these errant DJs correct. I think they just don't know better. :)
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  10. darmuzz
    darmuzz says I agree with annieander - it depends on your age and perspective. I think Led Zeppelin and Boston are classic rock; my daughter thinks Guns n Roses and Nirvana are classic rock. The classic rock stations in my area definitely include 80s and 90s. Personally, I never use the term classic rock, because for me it is only a radio format. Maybe the radio stations WON'T be adding the 2000s to their classic rock repertoire in years down the road because who actually listens to radio anymore? Musical tastes are so splintered and niche that I can't picture the current generation coming together to agree on what's classic. Maybe that's a good thing - 15 years from now we might not have to listen to Sum 41 and Nickelback on Classic Rock Radio!
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  11. chucky
    chucky says Nickelback as classic rock, that makes me shudder.
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  12. CrashPryor
    CrashPryor says "Grepsi"= grey goose (or whatever vodka you like) and grape soda...I've coined the term...I thought you were on that Multi thread where I introduce Micki to it...es schmeckt gut-- tastes VERY good!
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  13. chucky
    chucky says Heh, no I missed that thread but I will say that it sounds completely fucking disgusting...haha. :)
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  14. CrashPryor
    CrashPryor says ...that's what they all say...then, after a few sips...it's "ON LIKE POPCORN"...I almost got laughed out of a party in the Hills when I showed up with the ingredients..about an hour later, they were making a beer run for grape soda...hahaha...
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  15. fistula spume
    fistula spume says I want to say something but I feel my really old post "Playing all your classic rock from Jimi Hendrix to Nickelback!":http://mog.com/fistula_spume/blog_post/8348 says it all. At least in the comments. It's time like these when I wish I could have been there Chucky. It's better to have a wing man in these types of situations.
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  16. conveniantparking
    conveniantparking says Here is my whole opinion of the phrase "Classic Rock." The whole concept of Classic Rock is very stupid to me. Let us look at every other genre of music excluding Classical because it is a genre and not a sub category.How about folk music do you ever hear anyone ever say that for example Bob Dylan is Classic Folk or Peter, Paul and Mary are Classic Folk. How about Jazz are there Classic Jazz artist is Ray Charles Classic Jazz, no. What makes something Classic anyway, a '69 Mustang is classic because well they don't make them any more. So if they stopped making "Classic Rock" albums such as The Beatles White album does that mean its classic then or is it because it was made over a certain amount of years ago it's classic. What about these bands that are "way ahead of their times" would they be considered Classic Rock if artists ten years from then start copying or sound parallel to their music, so are they Classic Rock then? Basically, my problem with the term Classic Rock makes the music and artist sound(even though they may be) old. I mean you don't call your grandma and grandpa classic people do you?
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  17. chucky
    chucky says Crash, haha - I am going to take your word for it because I'm afraid that it would be a lose-lose situation for me. Either it would be gross or it would be awesome after a few sips and a few sips after that I'd be behaving wildly inappropriate and then puking on someone..heh. fistula, I just knew that someone had to have covered this topic already. I popped over and read it and there were some very good comments over there. I would have loved to have had a wing man in that conversation, haha. I am really surprized actually that there isn't a consensus here - I expected everyone to come down firmly on the same side of the issue that I did. Oh well. :) coveniantparking, I don't think old was what they were going for. They were probably going for classic as in "this is the best that has ever been and will ever be." But, now you have me on a whole new train of thought - why *isn't* there a classic everything else designation? Why only rock? Hmmm...
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  18. fistula spume
    fistula spume says I just want to point out that my parents were "Classic". My grandparents are "Golden". I'm pretty sure we're being regulated to the "Greats" from the 80's 90's and today. :)
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  19. chucky
    chucky says hahaha....(Take that to the next logical step and the kids of the 10s, 20s, and 30s will *have* to be "the mediocres." Heh.)
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  20. Iren
    Iren says For Radio Format types have always come down to marketing terms for reaching the audience you are targeting... I have always seen the break down of the main formats this way... Oldies: the first blast of rock and roll plus Motown... so Elvis, Buddy Holly, early motown ect Classic Rock... from the beatles to the sex pistols.... lot's of prog and heavy metal, hard rock and power pop 80's.... the name says is all, post punk, 80's top 40, new wave ect... Modern Rock: Grunge, Alternative music and the pop punk explosion... you also have freeform, top 40, no format, jack, hard rock... ect... radio is a dinosaur... so what's the point...
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  21. chucky
    chucky says A few people now have mentioned the radio format, and I had not actually thought about it in those terms. To me, I guess, classic rock is a genre. If you look at it as a format it's not as irritating when I feel it's been violated.
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  22. ZZTodd
    ZZTodd says i was raised on classic rock. for me classic rock is a time period. just like "grunge" era music is the sound of (somewhat) similar sounding bands in the early 90s, classic rock is the rock music from the late 60s to the late 70s/early 80s. i really don't like that classic rock stations play grunge nowadays. i like the music, but it doesn't sound the same and shouldn't be the rest of them. classic rock should not be "added onto". as far as bands that sound similar or are heavily influenced by classic rock around nowadays (which i generally love, by the way), they are not really classic rock, just because they are not from the era and are influenced by other things as well.
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  23. chucky
    chucky says ZZ, thank you - that is exactly the way I feel. What *would* you call the new bands that are so heavily influenced by classic rock? That's the part that trips me up.
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  24. fistula spume
    fistula spume says You know... It all is a fallacy though built up b(u)y the radio industry. In particular Clear Channel. They weren't the particular evils that set up this trend in the 80's, but lines were being drawn. Now that they control it all we're relegated to: Urban, News Talk, Sports, Urban Hispanic, Adult Contemporary, Oldies, Classic Rock, Extreme, Contempo Country, and Religious Rawk. On another note... Even the people who are decoding DNA are finding out that the old model of taxonomy by Carolus Linnaeus is limiting because putting things in one set place doesn't allow for the consideration of it being considered as something else. This connects with me because of the advent of Post Modern thinking (which is a bad word for some) you can no longer put artists and musicians in their place like you could back then. People are having more access to more music and more music is being documented. It's hard to say that Ween could be straight up classic rock but you can't lob them in the indy rock category as well. The titles only exist to limit the artist. You can't put Feist in the Sarah MacLachlan category just as you can't put Sarah MacLachlan into the Susan Vega to the Kate Bush to the Joni Mitchell category and so on and so forth. Several artists can have the same correlation with a type of sound, quality, theme, or region but when you start putting them into a category you limit them. Led Zeppelin doesn't sound like Loverboy but that's what we get when corporate interests with half a brain start dictating genre's for us. Any way... According to Clear Channel oldies music which used to be music from the 50's is now "oldies spanning from 1964 to 1975, with a 500 song active playlist split nearly half 1960's and half 1970's". Ok I'm done. Cheers Chucky!
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  25. Robcrusade
    Robcrusade says I heard "Material Girl" on my mother's former favorite oldies station. For oldies, it seems most people use the same criteria (ie: radio stations) as they do for antiques: if it's 20+ years old, it qualifies as an oldie. This is a scary thought, as "Appetite for Destruction" now qualifies under this rationale. :) But the term "Classic Rock" is more iffy, as it was basically started by radio stations to describe music that was not exactly *current* per se.... (although I know many "dinosaur rockers"... Tom Petty, McCartney, et al... would get their newest airplay as well...) but was not performed by Buddy Holly. I've always considered it a way for old people to avoid feeling old. Classic sounds much nicer than oldie, after all. Still, I have noticed CR stations to stick more to a sound, where oldies stations stick more to an age quota. And generally, more MOR too... *shrugs* Dunno.
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  26. Lizziegreeneyes
    Lizziegreeneyes says I think this far down the line - classic rock became a description of the music moreso than of the time period. Should we start calling new wave _OLD WAVE_ ??? This will forever be fodder for discussion because almost all points are valid - especially with such gifted brilliant minds as we MOGgers possess. To the ?... I would not consider the new stuff Classic Rock - but I see it in the classic rock style... are we going to have to go and call all these new incarnations - Classic Rock X & Punk Y & New Wave Z ???????????
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  27. sam9muhr
    sam9muhr says I'm on your side! "Smells Like Teen Spirit" will not be classic rock. My classic rock station is starting a whole '90s thing. '90s at noon. Who designated that classic rock?! Not I! And I think a new band can play classic rock as a style, but they aren't a classic rock band. Make sense? They obviously aren't a classic rock band, but play music in the style of classic rock. (I need to learn how to express my thoughts as words better.)
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  28. ZZTodd
    ZZTodd says chucky- that is a very good question. i guess we could always call it classic rock revival. in the meantime i'll try and come up with a better name for it.
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  29. The Serenity Vortex
    The Serenity Vortex says Argh! I'm not really a fan of genre classing music. I would default to just Rock ;) I found both arguments had their strong points. Though one that . . .
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  30. Anna
    Anna says I usually determine if a song is classic rock by the way I react to it ;) I do agree with ZZTod. As I agree with wiki, songs *from the mid-1960s through the late 1980s*.
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  31. HelenMarie
    HelenMarie says Great thoughts! By now you have enough responses and comments that would mimic my response and comment. ; )
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  32. Mike the Knife
    Mike the Knife says fist nailed it. "Classic" is a misnomer created by clueless radio formatters to market empty '70s rock bombast and bogus pomp alongside much better, more innovative prog-rock and proto-heavy metal. There's nothing "classic" about Styx, Kansas, REO Speedwagon, and other rock schlockmeisters of that era (even Boston, although I like their hits). To some extent, I think that "classic rock" would be what is generally designated as rock and roll "oldies." But, again, someone wanted to enhance/justify/sell/inculcate crap alongside what I and some of my fellow pundits would consider the good stuff. And let's not forget that, for many, nostalgia levels so much in the rosy haze of memory - a place where the Beatles and the 1910 Fruitgum Company are both beloved hitmakers of the '60s, and where "All In the Family" and "The Partridge Family" are equally loved.
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  33. lmnop805
    lmnop805 says Nay on the Teen Spirit being Classic Rock. But I am leaning toward Classic Rock being a Specific sound within a specific period of time...60s 70s. I am left with questions like; what do you call what a band like Wolfmother plays? Is it classic rock? Their sound is the epitome of classic rock.
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  34. Dale
    Dale says You're fighting a losing battle here Ash; underestimating the greed and incompetence of "classic rock" station managers. And yes, you may expect to hear "Smells Like Teen Spirit" on classic rock radio shortly.
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  35. Lady Miss Ian
    Lady Miss Ian says Being a wonk, I've got to weigh in on the side of Fisty, Iren and Mike - classic rock is a radio format, not a genre. I was originally going to say classic rock is what ever you hear coming out of boom boxes at construction worksites. :-) Seems like classic rock and construction (or house painting) go hand-in-hand. I was interested in where the comments were going in regards to age and terminology (golden, classic, etc.). My Gen-X elder crankiness wonders if the boomers decided to call the music of THEIR formative young adult years "classic" because they couldn't stand not feeling special.
    Permalink posted 08/20/2007
  36. darmuzz
    darmuzz says I was telling my daughter about this discussion and she wisely said, "There's a difference between classic rock and rock classics!" (Mike) Nothing "classic" about Styx, Kansas, REO Speedwagon" - they're just oldies being "packaged" for a demographic - you are so right!
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  37. Shud33
    Shud33 says Okay, I agree with you 100% Chucky. Classic Rock is just that..Classic Rock. I do not think Nirvana will ever be considered CR. I have a hard enough time with the fact that our CR station here in Sacramento plays Aerosmith, ACDC, Billy Idol ect.. these to me are NOT CR. Now when I hear Steely Dan, Lynard Skynard, Led Zepplin, Grateful Dead, Jackson Brown, The Guess Who, The Who..(you get my point.) That is what I consider CR. And I think that even if the sound is there..it's the era for sure too! But thar's just my opinion. Good topic BTW!
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  38. Lady Miss Ian
    Lady Miss Ian says “There’s a difference between classic rock and rock classics!” Amen, sister.
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  39. contrabandwidth
    contrabandwidth says I'm a little late on this thread but - (toss 2 cents). People call lots of music "Classical" even though it may be Baroque, 20th Century composition, etc. They just assume - orchestra=classical. I think once something is placed in a category ofr genre of description it essentially is dead, so to speak. I think in Art terms. Any movement that has a museum, is a dead movement (this doesn't bode well for rock n' roll either, come to think of it). Basically it says its time has past, and it remains to be studied or contemplated now. "Classic Rock" I would attribute to a certain time period, but now unfortunately also corresponds to that which is on the pre-formatted playlists of "classic rock" stations. It is a dead form, no matter how many reunions take place or members are still alive. But definitely there is a difference between something being a classic, and what is classic rock.
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  40. Anna
    Anna says As some noted above, "classic rock was originally conceived as a radio station programming format which evolved from the album oriented rock (AOR) format in the early-1980s. In the United States, this rock music format now features a large but limited playlist of songs ranging from the mid-1960s through the late 1980s with more emphasis on the earlier hits by artists associated with the loosely-defined "classic rock era" ".
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  41. cocolocoblondie
    cocolocoblondie says As I could make a whole post on this, but don't have the time now, I'll just give my verdict: I think it's any music with the classic rock "sound" which was also generated in the time span ranging from 1967 to 1984 (or something equally as arbitrary as that ;))...
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  42. QueenofHell
    QueenofHell says Phrases are coined for many things that fuel debate. Ultimately they are merely terms used to describe something that makes sense at the time, and it is used from then on. This doesn't mean that what is understood by the term won't change. I have found that in historical discourse these types of descriptive terms are often debated, such as 'cultural history', as opposed to 'social history', 'religious history' et alia. According to wikipedia Classic Rock magazine focuses on 'key bands from the 1960s through early 1990s, such as Queen, Free, Deep Purple, Status Quo, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Metallica and The Who, it also includes articles and reviews of contemporary and upcoming artists it deems worthy of note, such as The Answer and Wolfmother.' So, if we take that as a measure of what 'classic rock' is and consider that the definition of 'classic' is 'judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind', 'classic rock' is not necessarily confined to a specific decade or two.
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  43. James12
    James12 says incredibly interesting post, thank you for posting this, I loved arguments like this, but I would have to take your neighbor's side, I mean, classic rock isn't know to be classic rock because it comes from the 70s, but because it has a specific sound. Now, bands today that mimic the sound of 70s classic rock could become "classic rock" if they can make it in the long run, but music like "Smells like Teen Spirit", you got me there. I would say that eventually, it would become something like original alternative or what it is now, is grunge. Eventually our favorite rock bands from the 1990s would become what I like to call Original Alternative, you know, something like that, anyway, once again, great post, laters. James.
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  44. chucky
    chucky says fistula, another excellent point. It's a puzzler though, because you almost have to classify stuff just to have a starting point. robcrusade, haha - I have no problem with Material Girl being an oldie, but the second someone calls it classic rock I swear I'm going apeshit. :) lizzie, I think I kind of like the term "classic rock x" - classic rock made by Gen Xers. :) Oh, and we won't call new wave old wave but we can call new new wave newer wave. (It remains to be seen if that sentence will make sense to anyone but me, heh.) Sam, that's exactly how I would have put it. :) Anna, wiki even takes it further than I would but that could be vanity on my part - refusing to believe things released in any but the earliest years of my life could be classic rock. :) zztodd, I like the term classic rock revival too. TBF, classifying music can be restrictive, but it can also be helpful so it's a double edged sword I think. sunshine daydream, oh no - I want everyone's thoughts no matter if they are shared. *Especially* if you agree with me. :) Haha. mike, so cynical :) I see your point but what about Elvis or the Beatles? They were both rock but I'd call neither of them classic rock either. lmnop805, wolfmother is exactly the band that occurred to me when the question originally came up. I need to go see how all the music sites are classify them to satisfy that curiosity. Dale, sigh, I'd really hate to see that happen. They need a different designation. Where are the greedy marketers when I need them? LMI, I almost made the same point in an earlier comment about boomers feeling special but decided to be gentler than that. I am glad you said though :) darmuzz, your daughter is sharp :) shud, great minds and all that jazz:) contrabandwidth, hmmm - interesting point. I like it. Anna, "classic rock era" - see, it's an era. Eras dont' change. (Do they?) coco, haha, I have noticed that even those of us who agree that it was both a sound and a specific time frame all disagree slightly on what that time frame is. Helen, see I am thinking that the word "classic" in the term "classic rock" does not mean what it should mean (as in it's actual definition) and instead it just differentiates that music from music that came later. And, *that* is why classic rock can't expand (in my opinion.) James, original alternative. I like that designation too, especially if it would keep Nirvana off the classic rock stations. :)
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  45. annieander
    annieander says I am just checking back to see if it has all been sorted out. Seems like no...But contra bought up a point my husband made. There are composers still composing modern classical music. Couldn't the same hold true for rock? And what about rock that is considered classic that doesn't fit into the playlist of a radio station (name the last time you heard God Save the Queen on your local)...does that mean is is not a classic song? Radio Station programmers are doo doo heads. Hardly the last word...I hope.
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  46. fistula spume
    fistula spume says Well holee hell can of pasta this has turned into quite the post chuckers (yeah I typed that). I thought about this today while driving during lunch time. By definition to classify something is to put it into classes. It's the age old conundrum of: are we objectifying a subject or subjectifying an object? It seems though as we progress and evolve that we will be able to find a way to get ourselves out of the duality of classic arguments and find a way that we can talk about things in a free flow manner that doesn't relegate itself to "this or that" and then we can have a normal conversation. Regardless of whether or not your sitting there with someone who is spending time throwing conundrums to confound your idea of what is classic and what isn't. Those types are a dime a dozen. By the way I can remember my local classic rock radio station in 2004 playing Pizzicato 5 so what is rock anyway?! Much love sistah!
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  47. QueenofHell
    QueenofHell says Ultimately, I think life's too short. It's merely a matter of semantics and subjectivity.
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  48. Lester Jonze
    Lester Jonze says
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  49. chucky
    chucky says anniander - you solved it! Radio Station programmers are doo doo heads. Hahaha...when I tell my neighbor about this whole discussion I am beginning and ending with that line. :) fisty (heh) - you have a way with words. (Which way I don't know - I tease). Much love back atcha. Helen, debates about semantics are some of my favorite kinds. :) But, if I had to choose between a debate or listening to the music, the music would always win because life is short indeed. Lester, heh. Freedom Rock? That is a new one on me.
    Permalink posted 08/21/2007
  50. bright strangely
    bright strangely says whew! there's been a ton of great stuff said already. i just wanted to weigh in: irked by nirvana being played as classic rock noting that "the oldies" does seem to refer to a specific period which has not yet changed, right? are they playing things from the 70s yet? with all these internet radio sites, we would benefit from better, more specific genre labels available when you upload. they exist, we could be much more descriptive than just rock, folk or other. neat thread!
    Permalink posted 08/21/2007
  51. SA
    SA says Interesting debate people. In my personal opinion it is more of a sound than an era. I haven't read the whole post yet, will this weekend, but just wanted to say good post, and the comments I have read were all interesting. :)
    Permalink posted 08/22/2007
  52. TBoom
    TBoom says I'm far too late to this thread, but I really liked reading it. I'm with those who think the whole "classic rock" genre is garbage. It's a categorization of a type of radio station not of a type of music. Nobody refers to "album-oriented rock" as a genre of music though it was definitely a category of radio stations. I would have loved to be part of your discussion with your neighbor. Personally, this debate reminds me of one I had with G in 2000 when she actually agreed to see Yes with me (for her, that was quite a sacrifice). She kept calling Yes classic rock and I took exception -- they are clearly progressive rock in my book. I think she agreed after the show that progressive rock isn't classic rock but that doesn't stop Yes from being played on "classic rock" stations.
    Permalink posted 08/29/2007
  53. chucky
    chucky says bright strangely, I see mog ate my earlier response to you and SA. You make a very good point - the oldies, or at least, the "golden oldies" refer to a specific time period so why shouldn't classic rock? SA, so you'd see Wolfmother as classic rock. Cool. TBoom, that seems to be the overwhelming opinion. I guess I need to rethink my position..haha.
    Permalink posted 08/29/2007

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