I've gotta add that both artists have repeatedly said bad things about bootleggers. Ry may be doing all right, but David has very little to show for many years in the music trenches. If you want their live performances, go to a performance and buy their CD's direct. There is a lot out there which goes to the musicians, not to a "fan" who spreads someone else's theft... I know this isn't a popular position in MOG-land, but it needs to be said
I've been away for a week, so I've only just seen BerkeleyBob's comment above, and I'd like to reply :-
Bob, I haven't a clue why you bother looking at MOG at all if you're going to be so nauseatingly pious about what you refer to as 'theft'. Every piece of music featured on MOG, practically by definition, is allowing you or me or somebody else to listen to music without paying for it.
But those who post bits of music aren't doing it for any commercial motive - my own motivation is simply to spread the word to others about pieces of music that have thrilled me - I'm just hoping to turn other people on to the same thing that has given me pleasure - perhaps indirectly that will lead to others buying some music by the featured artistes. It certainly seems as though the other commenters enjoyed this posting.
Ironically, because I'm acutely aware of the 'theft' argument, I have tried to post as much non-commercially available music as possible. Yes, this means bootlegs - but since the music isn't commercially available it's really difficult for you to make the same 'theft' argument. I am not depriving the artiste of royalties because the artiste isn't attempting to obtain royalties.
I know that's being very simplistic, but I just cannot be bothered spending more time in this argument.
Bob - you've won - I'm going to remove the track and I'm not going to post anything more here. Now, let's see how many others you can drive away - there's hundreds of posters engaged in theft - if you're the self-appointed MOG policeman you've got a lot of work to do.
Please be aware that you and your ilk make me sick.
Look, it's a balancing act. Musicians want to get exposure and this site probably educates and inspires many potential new fans and ultimately new sales. I have bought releases from artists I heard for the first time on MOG. However, Ry Cooder and David Lindley have both publically and repeatedly taken the position that unauthorized and uncompensated circulation of their music is theft and they don't like it. Not everybody takes this position. There was a recent long and thoughtful post about how, if at all, musicians should be compensated when the recording industry and terrestial radio are in a long-term decline. I don't think I am nauseatingly pious and have no desire to drive away vast numbers of music heads. I repeat the best support you can give an independant or act that doesn't sell out a large stadium is to attend live gigs and buy any CD's directly from the artist. I know this isn't going to change your mind, and I have no desire to engage in a flame war. I want you to continue to post what ever you wish, and I will respect your decisions. I came to my positions after time, after buying a fair number of boots, and a fair amount of thought. I hope your are feeling this.
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What is this from? Man I like this a lot.
It's from an, eh, 'unofficial' 1990 live album 'Eel River' by Cooder and David Lindley - I think it will be easy enough to find on the net
That was ab fab.
Excellent.
I've gotta add that both artists have repeatedly said bad things about bootleggers. Ry may be doing all right, but David has very little to show for many years in the music trenches. If you want their live performances, go to a performance and buy their CD's direct. There is a lot out there which goes to the musicians, not to a "fan" who spreads someone else's theft... I know this isn't a popular position in MOG-land, but it needs to be said
I've been away for a week, so I've only just seen BerkeleyBob's comment above, and I'd like to reply :-
Bob, I haven't a clue why you bother looking at MOG at all if you're going to be so nauseatingly pious about what you refer to as 'theft'. Every piece of music featured on MOG, practically by definition, is allowing you or me or somebody else to listen to music without paying for it.
But those who post bits of music aren't doing it for any commercial motive - my own motivation is simply to spread the word to others about pieces of music that have thrilled me - I'm just hoping to turn other people on to the same thing that has given me pleasure - perhaps indirectly that will lead to others buying some music by the featured artistes. It certainly seems as though the other commenters enjoyed this posting.
Ironically, because I'm acutely aware of the 'theft' argument, I have tried to post as much non-commercially available music as possible. Yes, this means bootlegs - but since the music isn't commercially available it's really difficult for you to make the same 'theft' argument. I am not depriving the artiste of royalties because the artiste isn't attempting to obtain royalties.
I know that's being very simplistic, but I just cannot be bothered spending more time in this argument.
Bob - you've won - I'm going to remove the track and I'm not going to post anything more here. Now, let's see how many others you can drive away - there's hundreds of posters engaged in theft - if you're the self-appointed MOG policeman you've got a lot of work to do.
Please be aware that you and your ilk make me sick.
Look, it's a balancing act. Musicians want to get exposure and this site probably educates and inspires many potential new fans and ultimately new sales. I have bought releases from artists I heard for the first time on MOG. However, Ry Cooder and David Lindley have both publically and repeatedly taken the position that unauthorized and uncompensated circulation of their music is theft and they don't like it. Not everybody takes this position. There was a recent long and thoughtful post about how, if at all, musicians should be compensated when the recording industry and terrestial radio are in a long-term decline. I don't think I am nauseatingly pious and have no desire to drive away vast numbers of music heads. I repeat the best support you can give an independant or act that doesn't sell out a large stadium is to attend live gigs and buy any CD's directly from the artist. I know this isn't going to change your mind, and I have no desire to engage in a flame war. I want you to continue to post what ever you wish, and I will respect your decisions. I came to my positions after time, after buying a fair number of boots, and a fair amount of thought. I hope your are feeling this.