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Of Montreal's Kevin Barnes On Selling Out

Posted over 2 years ago
With all the fallout for Of Montreal's song "Wraith Pinned To The Mist And Other Games" being used in an Outback Steakhouse commercial as well as a recent T-Mobile video shoot which featured the band, fans are learning that the group is making a effort to, well, cash in.In a open letter to Stereogum.com, frontman Kevin Barnes has made an attempt to at least explain himself.
Are you a sell out? Yes. Don't let it bother you though, cause apparently I am also a sell out, and so are your parents and everyone you've ever known. The only way to avoid selling out is to live like a savage all alone in the wilderness. The moment you attempt to live within the confines of a social order, you become a sell out. Once you attempt to coexist you sell out. If that's true, then selling out is a good thing. It is an important thing. If we didn't do it, we'd be fucked, quite literally, by everyone bigger than us physically who found us fuckable. The pseudo-nihilistic punk rockers of the 70's created an impossible code in which no one can actually live by. It's such garbage. The idea that anyone who attempts to do anything commercial is a sell out is completely out of touch with reality. The punk rock manifesto is one of anarchy and intolerance. The punk rockers polluted our minds. They offered a solution that had no future. Of course, if the world would have ended before Sandinista! was released then everything would have been alright. It didn't. Now we have all of these half-conceived ideas and idiot philosophies floating around to confuse and alienate us. I think it is important to face reality. It is important to decide whether you are going to completely rail against the system or find a way to make it work for you. You cannot do both -- and if you attempt to do both you will only become even more bitter and confused. When I was younger, and supported my parents, I chose to float between the two. A lot of people choose to do this. There are so many confused young people running around now polluted by this alloyed version of the tenets of the punk rock manifesto. Of course they're confused. It isn't possible to be in chorus with capitalism and anarchy. You must pick one or the other. Very few people are willing to do it, though. The worst kind of person is the one who sucks the dick of the man during the daytime and then draws pictures of themselves slitting his throat at night. Jesus Christ, make up your mind! The thing is, there is a lack of balance. When capitalism is working on a healthy level, everyone gets their dick sucked from time to time and no one gets their throat slit. It's impossible to be a sell out in a capitalist society. You're only a winner or a loser. Either you've found a way to crack the code or you are struggling to do so. To sell out in capitalism is basically to be too accommodating, to not get what you think you deserve. In capitalism, you don't get what you think you deserve though. You get what someone else thinks you deserve. So the trick is to make them think you are worth what you feel you deserve. You deserve a lot, but you'll only get it when you figure out how to manipulate the system. Why commercialize yourself? In the art industry, it's extremely difficult to be successful without turning yourself into a cartoon. Even Hunter S. Thompson knew this. God knows Duchamp and Warhol knew it. Some artists are turned into cartoons and others do it themselves. I prefer to do it myself. at least then I can control how my cock is photographed. Why should it be considered such an onerous thing to view the production of art as a job? To me, the luckiest people are the ones who figure out a way to earn a living doing what they love and gain fulfillment from. Like all things in this life, you have to make certain sacrifices to get what you want. At least most of us do. If you're not some trust-fund kid or lotto winner, you've got to slave it out everyday. People who wanna be artists have the hardest time of it 'cause we are held up to these impossible standards. We're expected to die penniless and insane so that the people we have moved and entertained over the years can keep us to themselves. So that they can feel a personal and untarnished connection with our art. The second we try to earn a living wage or, god forbid, promote our art in the mainstream, we are placed under the knives of the sanctimonious indie fascists. Unfortunately, there isn't some grand umbrella grant that supports indie rockers financially and enables us to exist outside of the trappings of capitalism. The thing is, I like capitalism. I think it's an interesting challenge. It's a system that rewards the imaginative and ambitious adults and punishes the lazy adults. Our generation is insanely lazy. We're just as smart as our parents but we are overwhelmed by contradicting ideas that confuse us into paralysis. Maybe the punk rock ethos made sense for the "no future" generation but it doesn't make sense for me. I like producing and purchasing things. I'd much rather go to IKEA than to stand in some bread line. That's because I don't have to stand in a bread line. Most people who throw around terms like "sellout" don't have to stand in one either. They don't have to stand in one because they are gainfully employed. The term "sellout" only exists in the lexicon of the over-privileged. Almost every non-homeless person in America is over-privileged, at least in a global sense. Obviously, I've struggled with the concept. I've struggled because of the backlash following my songs placement in TV commercials. That is, until I realized that the negative energy that was being directed towards me really began to inspire my creativity. It has given me a sense of, "well, I'll show them who is a sellout, I'm going to make the freakiest, most interesting, record ever!!!" ... "I'm going to prove to them that my shit is wild and unpolluted by the reach of some absurd connection to mainstream corporate America." I realized then that, for me, selling out is not possible. Selling out, in an artistic sense, is to change one's creative output to fit in with the commercial world. To create phony and insincere art in the hopes of becoming commercially successful. I've never done this and I can't imagine I ever will. I spent seven years not even existing at all in the mainstream world. Now I am being supported and endorsed by it. I know this won't last forever. No one's going to want to use one of my songs in a commercial five years from now, so I've got to take the money while I can. It's the same with pro athletes. You only get it while you're hot and no one stays commercially viable for long. It's not like Michael Vick is going to be receiving any big endorsement deals anytime soon. As sad as it may seem, one of the few ways most indie bands can make any money whatsoever is by selling a song to a commercial. Very very few bands make enough money from album sales or tour revenue to enable themselves to quit their day job. Next time you see a commercial with one of your favorite bands songs in it, just tell yourself, "cool, a band I really like made some money and now I can probably look forward to a few more records from them." It's as simple as that. We all have to do certain things, from time to time, that we might not be completely psyched about, in order to pay the bills. To me, the TV is the world's asshole boss and if anyone can earn some extra bucks from it and they're not Bill O'Reilly, it's a good thing.
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Comments (18)

  1. lampgirl says agree 100% with this "It is important to decide whether you are going to completely rail against the system or find a way to make it work for you. You cannot do both—and if you attempt to do both you will only become even more bitter and confused." yes i do.
    Permalink posted 11/20/2007
  2. DenRA says I think the the word sell out is relative to your ethics and what you are making money at! Well you can make money and not be a sell out....but when you make money...that doesn't mean you are successful in your life as some of the biggest losers are very wealthy!And also the biggest rip offs! Basing life on money as a bottom line is at the root of war and disease focused drug companies and our major environmental problems brought about by multi national corporate new world order's agenda that is rapidly destroying the planet for life....but it may be the wild savage who survives the the decline of capitalism and nuclear war brought on by by the 2% of the world's richest neo cons in sake of their bottom line economics based on fossil fuels,greed and corruption. Try making a living wage as a poor or working class person is very difficult as the rich want everything for themselves and have decreased unions and worker's rights in general.I have been a vegetarian for 35 years and promoting steak houses that infiltrate disease and ravage the rain forest for cheap hormone laden antibiotic laced meat is very bad karma....but that is up to each individual to determine their believe system....I work 6 days a week selling vitamins and herbs and giving alternative health info to people who need help staying alive both rich and poor....health and wisdom is the greatest wealth not obtainable with money alone.Bill O' Reilly can just shut up!! He represents true Fascism and it's slimy agenda of hate and abuse. Many Blessings,Best Alohas,DenRA
    Permalink posted 11/20/2007
  3. brendanhalpin says I'm torn about this. On the one hand, I agree with most of the points he's making---every person who holds a job ends up making compromises in order to keep making money at their job. A musician selling their songs for commercials allows them to continue being a musician. If Mick Jones has a more comfortable old age because he sold "London Calling" to Jaguar, well, who am I to tell him he shouldn't. There's no such thing as pure art--if you're selling your art, then you are necessarily in conversation with the marketplace. Having said that, what a rambling, incoherent piece of writing this is! Jeez, guy, edit! Also, his blaming punk rock for people being on his case about the commercial seems simplistic.
    Permalink posted 11/20/2007
  4. brendanhalpin says Dammit, can't a man use dashes on this site without crossing himself out? Apparently not.
    Permalink posted 11/20/2007
  5. mullytron says It's always healthy when someone has enough balls to call out the pompous rock intelligentsia who perpetuate myths and bullshit for the posers that they are. LISTEN WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
    Permalink posted 11/20/2007
  6. asrati says . John Maynard Keynes: "Well, I might as well hang it up." John Kenneth Galbraith: "Oooh, I'm shakin', Barnes, I'm shakin'..." Karl Marx: "Well, now that you mention it, the worker should control the means of how his dick is photographed." Milton Friedman: "Barnes fucked me in the ass with that analysis. Literally." Adam Smith: "I've always considered Duchamp a piker too. Bravo."
    Permalink posted 11/20/2007
  7. Lady Miss Ian says Asrati - how can I even ATTEMPT to follow your comment? Brilliant, just brilliant. Yep, Kevy's got his points - they ramble all over the map, but he's got em. If he wants to make some money off his music, go for it. If said money allows him to keep living and making music, good on ya, mate. But, dude, quite trying to pass the buck off onto to punk. Punk did not invent the indie purest attitude. That same 'tude existed before it (in different genre pockets) and will exist long into the future.
    Permalink posted 11/20/2007
  8. fairportfan says I've always made a distinction between "being commercial" and "being commercial*istic*" - nothing wrong with being commercial - it just means that what you're doing connects with people who are willing to pay money for it. And, actually, there's nothing wrong with being commercial*istic* - which basically means that you are tailoring your output specifically to make money. (Which describes a good session man, for instance.) The first describes, say, Cyndi Lauper. The latter is the Spice Girls. Nothing inherently *wrong* with either. Until one begins to drive the other out of the market place. (And "*Gresham's Law*":http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-9366139 tells us which will be driven out...)
    Permalink posted 11/21/2007
  9. madrid spacestation spain says i agree with Kevin lamenting punk rock's impossible standards, and the pitfalls of living up to them. but i still get the uncomfortable feeling when i hear a good song in a commercial, that maybe thats all that song is about. it strips away the meaning and inherent value that comes from interpreting a peice of art on its own, by the listener. i mean, fuck, we pay kevin money to listen to his music, we pay to go to his shows, thats the product he pushes, is that not enough? of course, it is the fine line that any artist tip toes in order to surive in our free market system, but we the cynical public know that if your art is the art of making money, then we have a dirty name for that and rest assured we will loose interest with anything that is now kind of about a juicy steak served world-wide in some watered down austrialian establishment. he should be careful how he chooses to water-down his art. kevin, please stop trying to sell us steak and mobile phones, i already have both.
    Permalink posted 11/21/2007
  10. extraordinarypoems says I agree. I've never really understood the idea of "selling out" as anything other than an individual's approach to living in the real world.
    Permalink posted 11/21/2007
  11. indiepixie says no i really think Kevin's points were amazing. Maybe it is bc i too am accustomed to rambling. He's clearly very intelligent, and rather than some guy just cutting a check with k-mart for a bigger bang, he has assessed the situation thoroughly. I mean, we snear at him but most of us have worked at least at one time for or with or under a corporate fire-spitting dragon. Or bought something from there. Most of us also know what it is like to struggle for the love of art, in order to pursue a passion, to reach a dream. And most of us would accept a $100 dollar bill floating in the wind, even if our art was divine, and decidedly unrelated to the incident of the floating dollar bill. Kevin's assessment really made me re-evaluate all these 'liberal' first impressions I have on artists when I hear they sell out (Band of Horses' too has gotten rap for it...while Feist is relishing her fame off of the IPOD endorsements).....is it so liberal to place such unsound judgements on hard working artists, especially at a time when the pillars on which they stand are close to crumbling due to decreased record sales and lower budgets. Madridspacestation spain (phew)- yes we pay to go to his shows...but realistically, all those forms of revenue are vastly decreased, and once the pencils are put down, the band sees very little having split with managers, runners, stagehands, sound dudes, et al. And 100 tshirts don't get ya very far either. Kevin stick to his own logic and never lose sleep if he loses a few snide fans. (However, if I see his mascara'ed face on the side of McDonald's milk cup next, then we may have to rumble....then its back to fairportfan's comment on the difference between commericalistic and commercial.). at that's my two piece, peace FAY
    Permalink posted 11/21/2007
  12. madrid spacestation spain says oh man, i certainly had my feathers ruffled by this letter, i owed it to myself, it took so long to read. its all on a relative scale of course. even if the albums and shows don't make enough profit to keep the dream alive that is not my problem to get over. and i'm not trying to rule that there are rights and wrongs to marketing your work, but there are going to be _consquences_ , and to act surprised about the disgruntled fans, or to lambast us for it in a snide open letter... is...[appropriate adjective here].basically my point is that i don't need kevin to explain to me how I should value the art I encounter, thats up to me. as always, peace and love in the mog world!
    Permalink posted 11/21/2007
  13. TylerDurden says sure....but still, he's in denial....it took him over 500 words to convince himself he's not a sell-out, well apparently he doesn't understand what sell-out means....it means putting your catchy kids tune to an outback theme song, I could understand if it was selling 17th century pewter daggers with emeralds in the handle, but it's not, it's for some fatty steak topped with porabellos......first step of sell-out recovery is admitting that you sold out.... Jack's unchanging old school heavy metal thinking, you don't need radio coverage of tv coverage, Pantera sold 8,000,000 records before their name was even mentioned on Tv or radio....Kill 'em all was banned for years, Tyler Durden
    Permalink posted 11/21/2007
  14. brz says he definetly has some good points about the compromises most everyone makes to get by. i also appreciate his distinction that selling out "... is to change one’s creative output to fit in with the commercial world". on the other hand something about this whole mess makes me wish GG Allin were alive to punch this guy in the face and take a shit in his mouth. of course, i wouldn't mind seeing that happen to the "pompous rock intelligentsia" either. thanks for that little pearl, Mully!
    Permalink posted 11/21/2007
  15. walkingthecow says i always believed anyone who made music just to make money was a sell-out. that is my definition of someone who sells out.
    Permalink posted 11/21/2007
  16. Conspire2ignite says What I dislike is when songs become engrained in my mind as "commercial jingles" Example: Any Way You Want It by Journey. Great song. Ravaged by commercials over the years. Can't stand it now because I feel like consumerism is drumming on my ears. Example 2: Music Is My Hot, Hot Sex by CSS I used to put on this song whenever i felt like getting people to dance. Now it, too, is losing its magic. Bloody iPod Touch ad.
    Permalink posted 11/21/2007
  17. fairportfan says waywaywaybackwhen, *Elton John* recorded a song entitled Sad Songs Say So Much. There was a lovely video for it. After the song and video were in the can but before they were released, Elton and Bernie contacted Sasson and made a deal to record a version of the song for a commercial featuring bits of the video, based on the line "Sasson says so much". It's said that Winston Churchill was once annoyed by a woman at a party going on about the modern lack of morals, and asked her if she waould have sex with him for a million pounds. She laughingly said yes. Then he asked if she would do so for *one* pound. She became angry and demanded to know what he thought she was. "We've established *that* already. Now we are haggling over the price." Most songs that are used in commercials are so used because the ad agency made the artist an offer he didn't feel that he could refuse. Metaphorically, it;s like a girl who goes to bed with a man after he surprises her with a diamond tennis bracelet. Elton and Bernie were standing on the corner in hot pants, halter tops and fuck-me boots waving at the ad execs' cars...
    Permalink posted 11/21/2007
  18. davesonic says Who cares what the Indie snobs think, make music for yourself and if people like it great, if someone wants to give you some cash so they can show it on TV a few times and then have the product forgotten about even better. I remember when Neil Young released "This Notes For You" everyone was yeah Neil stick it to the man. I was more like that song sucks and why do I care if Whitney Houston or Michael Jackson shill for Pepsi...they suck to. Was Neil afraid that he was losing fans to MJ? Isn't it better to have people hear your music on a TV than to not have them hear it at all? Come on people let's all grow up a little.
    Permalink posted 11/26/2007

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