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Are you one of the guilty ones

Posted over 2 years ago
Once again it seems the new Wilco album has been leaked onto the internet well before its May 15 release date. This is not the first time this has happened to Wilco. The group’s 2002 album Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was the first to fall prey to this new affliction, then 2004’s A Ghost Is Born followed the same problem.As Billboard reports, fans of the group have attempted to make good of the unfortunate turn, asking that fans who downloaded A Ghost Is Born to donate what they would have spent to Doctors Without Borders, which eventually garnered $15,000.I myslef have been guilty of getting music well before the release date. With the internet it is hard not to fall into this trap. I know that owning the cd is a big part of music collecting for me, and every cd that I download I eventually go out and by the finished product. Tweedy still reserves hope that in spite of all the advanced downloading, Sky Blue Sky can still receive a rainfall of sweet cash: " We feel very proud of our record and we want people to hear it. Ultimately, that's the goal. I think most people will do the right thing and support us and buy the record, even if they have downloaded it." Do most people go and buy the cd's of bands they download early, or is this just another "problem" we have encountered with the no rules approach of the internet. Based on what I have heard around MOG is that most people in fact will not go purchase the music, even if it's a album of exceptional quality.I guess someone else can tell him that there’s no chance someone who already has the whole record downloaded will rush to the store to buy the crinkly-packaged thing because, basically, I just hate giving bad news.

Comments (28)

  1. Marta says well, Harvey Danger put their new album on their website as a free download... I never would have bothered checking it out otherwise - even better is that it rawks! Bands should really take it upon themselves to do this
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  2. Rawkkiddoh says So my question Marta, would you go buy the cd in a record store now that you heard it?
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  3. Marta says if it was available in Australia...? Yes, I would
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  4. Augusts1 says When I got my first computer I had AOL over a year ago now & they had alot of new releases each week that you could listen to. Most of them I didn't go buy simply cause my funds are limited. I will buy artists I really like Wilco. But actually I've just begun downloading albums since I joined Mog & discovered Multiply by the invitation of Neill.
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  5. Mike the Knife says As a journalist/critic, I get advance copies of stuff, but I do not file-share these unreleased goodies. It ain't kosher.
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  6. brand X says Didn't Wilco put Yankee Hotel Foxtrot up for download themselves after their record label refused to put it out? I'm pretty sure they did, and it didn't seem to hurt sales of that album.
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  7. goodmusiconly says Perhaps I am in the minority, but I will always buy the CD for something I love, even if I've heard the advance stuff. For some of us, there is always a joy in having the real deal. The sound quality is better (on CD anyway), and having the album artwork and liner notes is all a part of the experience. For me, I don't ever feel like I "own" a piece of music until it is in my hands...
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  8. ideamedea says Last weekend they offered a stream of the entire new album from their website for a window of like 14 hours. I'm sure most people probably found ways to convert everything to mp3s.
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  9. Rawkkiddoh says August, I hear what you are saying in regards to limited funds. I also have found multiply to be a blessing, as well as a curse when it comes to dealing with my love of actually buying music. Mike, I remember the days of getting advance copies when I worked at the radio station on campus. Those days were great. Brand X, you are correct after their dismissal from Reprise, Wilco offered the entire album for free on their official website. Erin, I am in your boat, and have the collection to prove it. While I have downloaded music a lot more since I joined MOG, I still get the albums that I download. The whole experience is not complete until you are taking out the liner notes and looking at the art work. Idea, I am guessing the same thing. Someone had posted it on Multiply and I am guessing half of mog now has the cd in their collection.
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  10. brand X says I don't download very much music. I do, however, regularly make copies of the music I buy and give them to friends, and many of my friends do me the same courtesy. It's kind of a "here's what I'm going to be listening to for a little while, and we could probably discuss it if you listen to this copy I'm giving you" kind of thing. I almost never go out and buy these album that I get copies of unless they are really, really, really good. For example, I got a copy of The Moon and Antarctica from a friends several years ago, I liked it a lot but I never bought my own. So Good News... comes out and I buy it, give a copy to the friend who gave me M&A, and he goes out and buys Building Nothing..., and so it goes. I don't feel bad about it at all. My friends and I all have a finite amount of money we are going to spend on music, and by giving each other copies we are able to experience a greater variety, and this probably adds up to a higher grand total of purchases anyways.
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  11. Dave says The streaming version was a lower bit rate than the one that's floating around. I'm enjoying the early "sneak" but will of course support the band.
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  12. j anne photography says i just got my hands on the wilco from a friend, actually. i was pretty excited to hear about that too... looks like some good stuff. i also pick out what i really really dig from what i've downloaded and will go buy a copy of it..like i did today i got the rolling stones' beggars banquet on vinyl b/c i really dug it [i know it's not the newest, but yeah..]. if something hits me to the point i just love it, i'll go out and buy it.
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  13. Me and the Horse I Rode In On says It's a tough issue. I am sure that some of the albums floating around have been leaked as a promotional stunt. I can see why. Right now we're talking about the upcoming Wilco album and it's getting some attention. Of course many fans will get it now and they will spread the word. Some will buy some will not. New fans join in.....some will buy some will not. A major problem is the way record companies send out advance copies like crazy. Advanced copies always means a chance to make new friends or hold on to friends. People at record companies like to be popular. Critics are another problem. Not everyone's like Mike who won't share. Again......they make friends this way. And.....then we are the problem. No excuse for any of us. Looking back on my days in the business I recall the value of the advance copy. Often it was the thought of the "not yet released" that made it so great. I still hear it. These stupid djs on national radio raving about this "not yet released" album and how huge it's gonna be. When it finally gets released these people seem to forget about the album. Back in those days (not that long ago reall) I was 100% against illegal downloading. Then my mind went to hell for a while but now that I have itunes, emusic + all the great places like You Ain't No Picasso posting free mp3's I have enough tools for me to figure out how to spend my money when buying the limited amount of albums I can afford each months. People in the business need to do a better job holding on the the album. And....we need to help the artists make a living. But..........we like candy and when free candy is available we eat.
    Permalink posted 03/11/2007
  14. chulsmith says since cds cost $24 usd over here in france, hellz yeah i'm going to download music. but then if i really like it, i'll get it on vinyl if available...
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  15. Lilithk says I've been totally guilty of having cd's before they came out, but they kept pushing the release date on them and I got impatient. I did buy them when they came out, however.
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  16. Me and the Horse I Rode In On says Bottom line is..........moggers should get discount at every record store. We are the one who will save the music. The planet will go to hell but we will keep the music alive.
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  17. Anna says Yeah, I'd buy a CD I already have in digital format, if I like what I heard/ can afford it at the time/ can find it, of course.
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  18. ponchoandy says I'm in the same boat as Mike the Knife...I get most of my music by way of advance/promo copies at work. I do occasionally share copies of the stuff I get, but only with friends who I know are big music fanatics and are likely to go spend money on concert tickets and the rest of a band's catalog if I give them a copy of the band's most recent album. I'm the same way...I almost never spend $$ on "new" music but routinely go out and snap up older stuff from bands I overlooked the first time around. Having said all that...I'm pretty conflicted over the whole file-swapping thing. As an industry geek, I can tell you with absolute certainty that it's hurting album sales and costing people their jobs...there have been waves of layoffs at all the major labels and several of the indies, record stores closing, etc.. As a music fan, I think it's a logical evolution of how people share music and will ultimately be healthy for popular music, because it will do a lot to level the playing field and help more bands attract wider fan bases. And I don't think it will actually cost any *bands* their jobs, though it may mean fewer of them have a chance to sell millions of records and get really filthy rich off making music. And hey, that might not be such a bad thing, either.
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  19. chulsmith says i support the bands by buying merch and going to see them live. and i support the indie labels by buying directly from them via internet instead of through stores. i'll probably get blasted for saying this, but... although they're cool, independent record stores are still just another 'middle man'. i order direct online because 1) i love getting mail (who doesn't) 2) it's like not really spending money. it gets deducted from my bank account, i kind of forget about it, then a few days later, MAIL! yeah, it's exciting...
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  20. apple lum essence says yeah, i got it. very chill album... and i hate to say this, but i don't buy cds anymore. rarely.... but they deserve my money, so it's little possible... you gotta realize, good albums come out all the time, despite what rolling stone says - and it gets old spending way too much money a month on cds... most of the consumers, are young, and possibly college students
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  21. mktackabery says Confession: guilty. Yes I will download albums that my friends share with me, and I don't always go and buy the record after. What I usually do is go buy another album from the band if I like it. I know illegal downloading is hurting independent artists. But the inability of the record companies to find a way to deal with the digital format, going on ten years now, is what is ultimately killing artists. Albums are not like books. Because the digital format is such a great way to transmit the "thing" people want, record stores are dying. Look at something similar: books. Why haven't bookstores died in the age of digital transmission? Because the book achieved the "perfect" format. Reading a book works best in the paper format. Ebooks have not managed to replace them. However, digital music is pretty frigging great, and downloading music (almost) instantly to one's hard drive or music device is even greater. The people are going to get what they want. When there was no digital downloading, people were still copying records onto other formats and giving them to their friends. The internet is just illuminating something that has been going on for a long time. I think it is facetious to blame people who download records for the death of the record industry. They've been killing themselves for a long fucking time and I'll be damned if I'll let them hold me responsible for it. They continue to throw too much shit on the wall, pimp out "artists" who don't make art, slickify music, package it in overpriced containers, shove it down our throats via davertising, music-laden commercials for other garbage products, pay dj's to play shit that is forty years old, and spend millions of dollars making bullshit videos for ten year olds. When they stop all of that, they can start complaining about how they're being taken by little old me. If I post a record for my friends on multiply, there is no difference in my mind than if fifteen years ago I copied that record onto Maxell audio tape and gave it to them. I hava thousand cds and over 175 gigs of music. I spend over $100 a month on music, I have an eMusic subscription, I go to concerts, I support art featuring music, and if I want to share some of that with someone who doesn't have access to it, in order to turn them on to something cool, by God I'm going to do it. That is fair use. Of course there is abuse. There are people who pirate all kinds of goods. People buy (or take) the pirated goods because they don't have access. Have you ever heard Wilco on the radio? I can go through my MOG collection (and yours Kevin) right now and I guarantee that 80% of it will never be heard on the radio. Not even college radio. The record company should spend some time trying to change the system they invented instead of chasing after us. Rant concluded. For the time being.
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  22. etcvisitor says my policy is that if i download something and i like i will buy it, if i download it and hate it i will erase it, and if i download it and it is amazing i will buy it on CD and vinyl. however, i still also refuse to buy anything from a record label of which i couldnt contact the president.
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  23. chulsmith says michel(l)e ::: i agree with you. i think a major characteristic is portability. ebooks aren't as portable as books. and vinyl, cds, and cassettes aren't as portable as digital files. furthermore, as the record industry is continuing to lose control over the music, serves them right as they've been focusing on making money vs. putting out good music. how many times have you heard stories of bands finishing a record and then it gets delayed (or even thrown out) because there isn't a 'radio friendly hit' on it? that's shite, if you ask me. music is art. some people are going to like it and some won't - just like everything else in the world... etc ::: i respect your beliefs about not buying from major labels, but then aren't you limiting yourself on hearing some really great stuff? unless, of course, 'buying' is the key word... ;)
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  24. etcvisitor says ummmm, im not going to comment on the word "buying". however, i do make it a point to support bands in other ways if they are unfortunate enough, to be on a major label. PS i know my choice of words might seem snobby here, lets just call it a failed attempt at humor.
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  25. Cody B says I feel creepy sharing files..I did it once,Thanks Anna, and I feel like sharing,too, but I haven't yet. If I really like something I buy it, but I have taken burns from folks. I am not a saint, to be sure, but I did get a funny feeling taking those free tracks. Maybe if the record industry started out by embracing the web, instaead of tearing its' hair out trying to defeat it,we'd be in a different place now. But that horse has left the barn. When I got some legal free tracks from emusic..I liked, listened but it still didn't feel like I owned 'em. I suppose I will enter this century one day (A buddy my age just said he downloaded the Complete Mozart (16 GB) from bit torrent), but I ain't there yet. He said I can give it to you on 4 DVD's with artwork and booklets in zip files. I passed. But I thought about taking him up on it more than I ever would've before.
    Permalink posted 03/12/2007
  26. uwrfcoop says
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  27. soundchkr says I download albums before their release date all the time. Mostly because I am so excited to hear the new music. However I also buy the albums if they are any good. I have already preordered Wilco's new album, Sky Blue Sky as well as the Kings of Leon's new album, Because of the Times, and i've had both albums downloaded for weeks now. I mean those guys gotta make a living right? Fair is Fair, you make good music, I will pay for it, you put out a crappy album I'm keeping my money :-)
    Permalink posted 03/22/2007
  28. Rawkkiddoh says That works for me soundchkr
    Permalink posted 03/22/2007

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