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March 8th

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March 8th is blog against sexism day as well as International Women's Day. I was pointed in the direction of a site by fellow mogger Lola the car chick that asked you write a little something against sexism or for wimmin’s/women’s/gender liberation. They especially encouraged men to challenge themselves and write about the topic.I thought to myself, how do I even begin to try and relate to the topic. Being a white male, I am supposed to have it easy and things like this should not concern me. I then thought of what I have been doing for the last 15 months of my life and everything was put into perspective.15 months ago, my wife gave birth to our first child. This is when I felt I should be doing more to provide for our new found family. I knew with teaching, the financial gains would always be minimal, so I left in hopes of starting a career that would enable my wife to stay at home. While this is a very 1950's way of thinking, I knew it was something she wanted to do. I took the summer off and became a stay at home dad, figuring I would start looking for work once the summer was over. I soon found out how hard it is for women who decide to stay at home and take care of their children. I also found out that the job market isn't what it used to be and the role of Mr. Mom would be one that I was stuck with for quite some time. I took on the roles that would "traditionally" be left to the woman who stayed at home. Cooking, cleaning, laundry to name a few. All of this had to be done while taking care of our child. Not only did I find it exhausting, but it can be an extremely lonely time. Having no one to talk to, while having to focus on what needed to get done took its toll on me. I found myself more drained than after a bad day in the classroom.It made me think back to my own mother who gave up her career to take care of my brother and me. It made me appreciate everything she did for us that much more. While the role of being a mom is not a paid position, it is one that gets overlooked on a daily basis. The last 15 months made me appreciate what women have been doing since the dawn of civilization.Sexism is defined as prejudice or discrimination based on gender. Growing up I always thought that women should take care of the children, while it is up to the male to provide for the family. This belief with in itself could fall into the category of sexism. Over the past 15 months these beliefs of mine have changed greatly. While my wife still would like the opportunity to stay at home, it is going to have to wait. With today’s economy, living on a single income is not as easy as it used to be. I am going back into teaching, and luckily, my parents live close enough that they have agreed to watch our son while we are at work. I have heard it said that a woman’s work is never done, and I understand this more than ever.Blog Against Sexism Day

Comments (42)

  1. 1234chainsaw says Thanks for this. You Rawk.
    Permalink posted 03/06/2007
  2. CrashPryor says ...word is bond, Coop...I try to do that on the regs but thanks for bringing it up, check this "*Interview with Ariel Levy*":http://mog.com/CrashPryor/blog_post/28737 -- the author of Female Chauvenist Pigs...
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  3. Nixne Svix says I was raised by Mom and Older sister , both DIY- hard core- fuck the world- ill do it myself , and better. I feel ya Kev. You sir are a good man. I know women are as physically and mentally -plus , than men. My mom was a Fire Fighter , oldest female to pass the Academy in Florida , at 43. My brother and I both attended it and I can tell you , I would have any of those Fire Fighting Females pull me out of a bad situation...great post. (my Mother had to sue her first Fire Department Gig(Chief sexually advanced her and then fired her after she denied him) and won. Got her dream Location in her home town of Ft. Laud. and set a example for all females and males..no one can fuck with you! Ladies rock!
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  4. LadyC says hell yeah! my big sis raised me, she is one of the strongest women i know though life is hard on her like a curse. her devotion and unconditional love, with the sister-in-law that raised me, stays deep in my heart to this day...thanks for the post rawk.
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  5. Anna says Kevin, you are truly a lovely person. Pleasure to have met you.
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  6. darmuzz says I like that you were honest about this. A lot of men who stay at home with their children are quick to say that it's just temporary, they're between jobs, they're researching a new home business idea, etc. The reality of the experience is that children ARE what you do during that time, and it's impossible to make them a side project!
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  7. Augusts1 says Kev, I'm more & more amazed by you & your ever unfolding life. You have a child too? Wow, who knew? Yes, being a parent has to be one of the hardest, thankless jobs there is. So much so that I decided not to go that route in my life. There are no little Augustas or Augusts running around here. Way too much responsibility for this guy. I have ultimate respect for women who are stay at home moms as well as men who do it too. Tough, demanding job. I hear it's so worth it though for your children & you get alot back from them as well. Whatever, it's NOT for me, thank you very much, lol!
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  8. Nixne Svix says Hey uh , any ladies want a stay at home dad who cooks , cleans and makes art and music? he he he
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  9. Nixne Svix says oh and a mogger could research your posts/threads time of days and figure out babies nap times....no wonder you are on this shit , the first word gonna be MOG?
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  10. Nixne Svix says the last two comments were jokes . fyi . carry on...you are a good man Kid.
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  11. Anna says And Kevin, I also echo August's first 3 sentences... :)
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  12. Rawkkiddoh says Chainsaw, your quite welcome, make sure you check out the site. Crash, thanks for the link. Got me some reading to do after dinner. Cam, incredible story about your mom being a firefighter. I have seen the test they need to pass in order to become a firefighter here in Minnesota, and it is not for the faint of heart. LadyC, thank you for the kind words. Never had a big sis, although my big brother could have passed for it as far as I was concerned. Darmuzz, I know what you mean about not owning up to the fact they are staying at home. These past 15 months for me have been eye opening. Anybody who says being a stay at home mom is easy should have to do it for themselves just to see what it is like. August, I have loved every minute of it. While its been hard, the rewards have been that much greater. I wasnt sure if I would ever be ready to care for a child, I guess thats why I waited till I was 33 to do it. Cam, I am laughing at the second of the two jokes. Its true, my time on MOG revolves around my sons nap time. As for the list of my chores for the day, I swear I have no idea how my own mother did it with two biys tearing up the house. Anna, thank you for the kind words as well. As for the unfolding of my life, I can't give it all away right off the bat can I. Wait until I go into the dark years of it, Chul can tell you I was not a pretty site for a while there. I will say that its been more than a pleasure to have met you as well, and coming into this little mog-o-sphere is a highlight of my day.
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  13. Marco1019 says My admiration for you has grown even more after reading your post.
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  14. Rawkkiddoh says Thank you Marco
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  15. mickimicki says Hey Rawk, I like you more now that I know _you know_ what's going on. I'm sure you're a super-dad... still, young fathers of today have no idea how lucky you are... at least, you got high-speed internet! When my baby was born in 2000, all I had was a dialup connection. So don't you bitch and moan ;-)
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  16. Rawkkiddoh says Wade, thanks for that and yes I find it amazing that the traditional roles of both women and men are changing more and more everyday. Micki, thank you as well. I will add that I just recently got high speed internet, suffered with dial up for the longest time.
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  17. mickimicki says Ok. I take everything back... suffering is the right word...
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  18. katgrrl927 says Men who stand up against sexism rock my world. Thanks. Your mom must have raised you right. :)
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  19. Rawkkiddoh says My mother is quite a woman kat, and yes she did raise me rather well
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  20. Brettney says Excellent post. If I could I would 'like it' twice.
    Permalink posted 03/07/2007
  21. Me and the Horse I Rode In On says I'm sure your mom is also proud of your choice of song. Great post, Kevin. One thing is for sure. If this world falls apart you will take care of all of us. First there was the mac-daddy.........but you own the title mog-daddy. Okay....okay.....you didn't make mog so you'll be the mog-stepdaddy.
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  22. Mike the Knife says Honest, heartfelt sentiments, Rawk, on an important set of issues. You da man (at least the kind of man I can respect...)
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  23. Lola the Car Chick says Yes, Rawk. Excellent post. I'm very pleased by the revelations you've made. Please indulge me now, as I elaborate on the theme all across your page... haha. For me, the worst part of staying home to raise my son has been the loss of people's esteem for me. When I'm asked what I "do", and I say that I am raising my child... this is interpreted as doing "nothing". People nod and turn away, as if they're sorry they've embarassed me by asking. And it is embarassing-- not because I'm ashamed-- but because people typically make it clear that this aspect of my identity is uninteresting and unimportant. You see, casual acquaintances aren't as quite as impressed by my being a single and/or stay-at-home mom as they are by a father assuming this role, for example. When you do it, you're an inspiration. When I do it, I'm a cliche. What I've learned is that, as a single mother, nothing I do is ever really good enough to escape the stereotypes. Primarily being that single moms represent a "burden" on society, and are therefore deserving of condescension or derision. And while people always seem to be willing to take the time out to judge -- or even if they wax poetic about how they "admire the strong single mother"-- they are not willing to extend themselves in any positive way to relieve me. Not practically, and not politically either. Despite any "noble" pedastal we might be set upon, single mothers-- second only to the mentally ill and disabled-- are the poorest segment of society. Poverty is in direct correlation to the stigma associated with single motherhood. Over the years, even the simplest things I have had to accomplish in a day magnified into a series of potentially humiliating obstacles. Things like trying to push a stroller through the snow while carrying the groceries... haha (boo hoo)... I would weep the entire way. I could go on, detailing how, over the years, I've been defeated by a tight lid on a jar; or traumatized by employers who made me late to pick up my son at daycare; or I could tell you how men have attempted to exploit my vulnerability -- like the mechanic up the street who, on discovering I was a single parent, suggested I could consider trading sex for my car repairs. But, instead, I will just summarize these anecotes by saying that, beyond all of the frustrations and challenges involved, poverty has been the most profoundly excruciating element. Besides, people know this already. And I think they view these indignities with a certain smug satisfaction. I'm being appropriately punished, is what I think they think; for my refusal to capitulate to marriage. Why not just "get" a man, the women ask -- or become a stripper, men have suggested to me bemusedly. If I would just be a nice girl and play the game properly... how easy life could be. Right? Haha... I know better than that. Even still, many times I feared I might break. I thought maybe I'd be tempted to do as they said-- and trade either my independence or my integrity or my self-respect for security. Hell, even for a taste, a whiff of what it must be like not to be constantly faltering. But, alas, year by year, I've managed to make it through with very few compromises. I've paid in tears for my ideals, but at least I still have them. This all stems, ultimately, from my passionate belief that women should be in a position to compete economically with men-- and not with one another, for men, in competition for marriage-- as a means of compensating for the pay-gap. I think that there shouldn't be any economic imperitive to marry at all. And being starved into compliance is hardly free will. Women's globally disadvantaged condition conspires to degrade both sexes. This is what I see as being responsible for the mercenary attitudes men and women take towards one another today-- whether we're talking about gold-diggers, or divorce courts, mail-order brides, or the so-called "rules" of dating. In my view, it is all discontentment fueled by social inequity. But rather than go off on that tangent, I just want to warn younger women out there who might be reading this, that-- under present circumstances-- being a single mother, particularly if you do not have any direct source of support-- from the father, or from boyfriends, or by family, is the most punishing lifestyle you could choose. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. And before anyone launches into prostestations based on the life of their mother or their mother's mother, let me qualify this by by saying that, yes, some women succeed in carrying it off with admirable perserverance. Some manage to persist and struggle their way through to transcend circumstances; but it is still a fact that the majority of single mothers-- especially those who do not receive child support payments-- will suffer great hinderance and sadness in trying to cope alone. I also want to point out that the economic inequity of the gender pay-gap does not just affect single mothers-- they simply experience it the most acutely-- it also takes it's toll on two-parent families. Here are some recent articles I've collected on the subject, if you are interested. (You will need a Flickr ID.) U.S. LAGS ON FAMILY-ORIENTED JOB RULES www.flickr.com/groups/kisskissbangbang/discuss/7215759451... THE GENDER WAGE GAP: DEBUNKING THE RATIONALIZATIONS www.flickr.com/groups/kisskissbangbang/discuss/7215759451... POVERTY AND INEQUALITY IN CANADA www.flickr.com/groups/kisskissbangbang/discuss/7215759451... POVERTY AMONG WOMEN IN THE USA www.flickr.com/groups/kisskissbangbang/discuss/7215759451... WHAT CAUSES THE PAY GAP? www.flickr.com/groups/kisskissbangbang/discuss/7215759451... CLASS WARFARE AND THE DECLINE OF FEMINISM www.flickr.com/groups/kisskissbangbang/discuss/7215759451... BACK-TO-WORK PRESSURE DOES HIT FAMILY LIFE www.flickr.com/groups/kisskissbangbang/discuss/7215759451... BRIT, U.S. KIDS WORST OFF IN INDUSTRIAL WORLD (Netherlands, Sweden Top List) www.flickr.com/groups/kisskissbangbang/discuss/7215759451... MOTHERS FACE "JOB DISCRIMINATION" (UK Mothers Are 45% Less Likely To Be Hired Than a Man) www.flickr.com/groups/kisskissbangbang/discuss/7215759451... Of course, this post naturally leads to a discussion of the roll-backs in reproductive rights and freedoms for women under conservative quasi-religious governments-- and even about how this plays into the age of sexual consent being 14 years old for girls in Canada-- but I'll save my discussions of how these policies collude to keep future generations of women barefoot and pregnant, for another time. Viva. Thank you for blogging against sexism. I sincerely enjoyed your post.
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  24. lemontwist says Thanks for posting this. Women's issues don't get enough airplay. :)
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  25. Rawkkiddoh says Britney, thanks. It was great reflecting back on the past 15 months. Me, I will do my best to take care of the mog universe if given the chance. Mike it means a lot to hear that. Lola, you said When you do it, you’re an inspiration. When I do it, I’m a cliche. That was the main reason for this post. I do not think people know, especially those who have not done it, what it takes to be a stay at home mom/dad. Women around the world have been doing this forever, and I do not feel they have gotten the recognition they deserve. For years I had found it hard to take care of myself, let alone another human being. I think I owe much of it to my wife. I will give you some insite here, when I finished college I was a man with out a plan. I decided to race mountain bikes, and basically do nothing with the degree I had worked so hard to attain. My parents were worried because I was not doing much with my life, and I did not seem to care. I met my wife, and we began dating. She is from Canada, so it was long distance for the first 3 years. Every 3 months, on of us would fly to see eachother, and this became the norm. After my mom met her for the first time, she pulled me aside and told me, "Kevin you better get your shit together, she is not the type of girl who is going to stand for your half assness." Thats when I got into teaching, and started putting my life back together. I like the saying behind every great man, there is a greater woman, and I believe this to be true. While women seem to take the back seat on a lot of issues, they seem to be the ones who are doing the driving. I may be the odd one out being the male who is staying at home taking care of his baby, but women around the world should get the recognition for doing it on a day to day basis. This post has really opened my eyes to that, and I thank you for that. One more thing, while I have been at home doing what is traditionally the womans role in the relationship, my wife has been the bread earner, and making enough money that we can live as a happy family. She is one incredible woman.
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  26. uwrfcoop says
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  27. AnonymousAmy says I am a stay at home Mom who left the workforce about 6 years ago. After being away for so long, I feel nervous about going back...so I just don't. I'm glad you brought up the lonely part. My only social contact with people is over the internet. (well, my only social contact with adults anyway) I do feel lonely most of the time. But, I made my choice. I pretty much gave up my life in order to enrich the lives of my children. And now that I'm homeschooling, it makes it even more difficult to have a life of my own. anyway, great post.
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  28. Rawkkiddoh says Amy, the lonelyness part of it is what really shocked me. You dont have an outlet to talk about normal, everyday life things to anyone. I will take my son to the mall, seeing its winter here, to just walk around. Its amazing how easy it is to start up conversations with people who are in the same boat. I never was one to have internet relationships before, but its almost needed to keep a sane head on your shoulders.
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  29. Wozniak says Good on you, Rawk. Great post.
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  30. Lilithk says It was great to read this from a guy's point of view. Many of my relationships have failed because I got tired of guys that expect you to work and then come home and clean and cook, etc. I've often thought about why on earth since we share the bringing in of income and both work just as hard, does the woman have to do the rest alone? My husband is one of the few I've met that shares equal in working and doing the house stuff. It took him awhile as his mom is one of those that did everything for him, bless her heart. Now I've started school in a program that is a male dominated business. I was warned by so many people that women don't make it in audio. But honestly, I've received nothing but welcome with open arms into this. Every time I meet another who is working in the audio industry, no matter what his job is, I say that I'm attending school for it and they immediately start giving me pointers and have a great discussion around the topic.
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  31. Rawkkiddoh says Thanks Woz
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  32. Rawkkiddoh says Lilith, I have always thought the same thing. As it stands now, I know my wife is pretty spent when she gets home so I do most of everything. I know when I start working again, the "chores" will be divided again, and we will continue to help eachother out. Its been an on going joke between us that if we were on wife swap, there would be no drama for the producers to film.
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  33. Lilithk says I still have friends whose husbands don't do shit for them at home. My friend Jo is really sick, has a job, is the breadwinner and her husband doesn't do a damn thing at home. It pisses me off. I mean, you'd think that since she's always in and out of the hospital he'd do something.
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  34. Rawkkiddoh says In a perfect world yes Lilith
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  35. Me and the Horse I Rode In On says Kevin: That's your new job. You teach couples how to do right. That'll make you rich. Women will make their men go to your seminar. Women will be saying: "I wish you were more like Kevin. No moggers will be charged if choosing to join the seminar.
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  36. Rawkkiddoh says I think I could see it happening, but then the men would not like me too much. When I mention to people I give my wife a hour long head rub every night before she goes to bed I get death looks.
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  37. Lola the Car Chick says When we talk about equal pay for equal work, women in the workplace are beginning to catch up. If we keep going at this current rate, we will acheive full equality in about 475 years. I don't know about you, but I can't wait that long. -Lya Sorano "Last year, a labor economist from the Economic Policy Institute made the widely-quoted estimate that the gender pay gap would be closed within 30 years. Other commentators state confidently that the gap does not reflect discrimination, but other factors, such as the high wages of a few white men, and gendered patterns of occupational and educational choice and work experience. The effect of such assertions is to make women feel complacent about the wage gap—and perhaps to feel that they can avoid its impact by making the right educational, occupational, and negotiation-related choices. Such complacency is unwarranted. White men are not the only group that out-earns women, although the wage gap is largest between white men and white women. Within other groups, such as African Americans, Latinos, and Asian/Pacific Islanders, men earn more than women (Source: U.S. Census Bureau). (For example: white women earned 73.4% of what white men earned in 2001; in the same year, black women earned 84.8% of what black men earned.) Higher levels of education increase women’s earnings, just as they do for men. However, there is no evidence that the gender gap in wages closes at higher levels of education. If anything, the reverse is true: at the very highest levels of education, the gap is at its largest. Some people think that if women move into male-dominated occupations in larger numbers, the wage gap will close. However, there appears to be a gender-related wage gap in virtually every occupational category. In researching this issue at the Center for Gender Studies, we found only four occupational categories for which comparison data were available in which women earned even a little more than men: special education teachers, order clerks, electrical and electronic engineers, and miscellaneous food preparation occupations (Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics). The movement of women into higher paid occupations, whether male-dominated or not, may not have the impact of narrowing the earnings gap. Social psychologists have demonstrated repeatedly that occupations associated with women or requiring stereotypically feminine skills are rated as less prestigious and deserving of less pay than occupations associated with men and masculine skills. Thus, as more and more women enter an occupation, there may be a tendency to value (and reward) that occupation less and less. Women are more likely than men to work part-time. However, most gender wage comparisons leave out part-time workers and focus only on full-time, year-round workers. A close look at the earnings of women and men who work 40 hours or more per week reveals that the wage gap may actually widen as the number of hours worked increases. Women working 41 to 44 hours per week earn 84.6% of what men working similar hours earn; women working more than 60 hours per week earn only 78.3% of what men in the same time category earn (Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics). If women and men continue to accept the notion that the domestic and caretaking work traditionally classified as “women’s work” is not important enough for employers to accommodate, the gender gap in wages will never close. A few individual women may be able to evade the gap by choosing to be childfree, being fortunate enough to have a supportive spouse, and carefully following a model of career advancement that was developed to fit men’s needs. However, to make the wage gap disappear will require that we stop buying into the idea that the rules are gender-neutral and that men just follow them better than women do. One by one, employers must be convinced to re-examine assumptions that unwittingly place higher value on the type of work men do than on the type of work women do. The most important step in closing the wage gap is for all of us to give up the notion that, to be paid fairly, a woman must “make it in a man’s world.” -The Gender Wage Gap: Debunking the Rationalizations by Hilary Lipps Center for Gender Studies
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  38. Lola the Car Chick says The second last paragraph of my post should read: "If women and men continue to accept the notion that the domestic and caretaking work traditionally classified as “women’s work” is not important enough for employers to accommodate, the gender gap in wages will never close."
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  39. Lola the Car Chick says I also want to say that, like the author of this article, I find tone of complacency among people in response to this issue to be the most troubling issue of all. At worst, it seems that women have no real interest in the subject of their own equality. A least, they seem to be easily distracted from that fact by warm and fuzzy anecdotal information. If this is the case, we have exactly the kind of world we deserve, don't we?
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  40. Me and the Horse I Rode In On says You scare me, Kevin. If you are not getting cake for your birthday something is wrong with this world.
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  41. Rawkkiddoh says If women and men continue to accept the notion that the domestic and caretaking work traditionally classified as “women’s work” is not important enough for employers to accommodate, the gender gap in wages will never close.” I see this with the field I am currently in. In teaching most of the people I work with are female Lola, the amount of male teachers are few and far between. I know teaching is a small example, but its a profession that is both domestic and caretaking. I think it would be wrong to say there has not been improvements made in terms of getting women to go after male dominated roles. You read about it everyday, but I agree we have a long way to go before we can even begin to consider the two sides equal.
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