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We Need Sunlight to Disinfect the Legislative Process!...R'N'R 'N' Paulitics (Ron Paul)

Posted 3 months ago


Pigs (Three Different Ones) (1992 Digital Remaster) - Pink Floyd

During August recess, many legislators have heard an unexpected amount of discontent from their constituents about what is happening on Capitol Hill, particularly regarding healthcare. Some people are justifiably terrified at what the government could do to healthcare, should it get its claws even further into it. Others demand a public option for health insurance and are adamant that healthcare be treated as yet another absolute entitlement. One thing everyone agrees on is that the final bill needs to be read and understood by all legislators before a vote is taken. To any American, this is common sense. In Washington, that is unlikely to happen. There is much confusion and debate over what is and is not in the reform plan being considered. Are there or are there not so-called death panels? What are the end-of-life consultations really for? How will private insurance be affected? Can you keep your current plan or will you eventually be forced into a government plan? Will it pay for elective abortions or not? What are the implications for medical privacy? The truth is no one knows what will be in the final bill until it is on the House floor, and provisions could be added in and taken out in the wee hours of the morning before. In February, the House was forced to vote on an over 1,000 page "stimulus" bill that had first been posted on the internet just after midnight the morning of the vote. It passed. Then in June, House leaders rushed a vote on the cap-and-trade bill, even though an over 300 page "manager's amendment" making substantive changes to the bill, was introduced shortly after 3:00 a.m. the morning of the vote.

Washington thrives on crisis. If enough people can be convinced that we are in an emergency, they will more likely tolerate rushing legislation to the floor like this. Last minute changes will be slipped in, benefitting who knows what special interests and at what expense to the taxpayer. But the mantra is repeated over and over: We are in a crisis. We must act immediately. It should be unconscionable for legislators to vote in favor of legislation they have not had the opportunity to read. This is why I have re-introduced the Sunlight Rule, H.Res 216. The Sunlight Rule prohibits any piece of legislation from being brought before the House of Representatives unless it has been available to read for at least 10 days. The Sunlight Rule allows citizens to move for censure of any House Member who votes for a bill in violation of this act.

Because the Sunlight Rule could never be waived, any Member could raise a point of order requiring any bill in violation to be immediately pulled from the House calendar until it can be brought to the floor in a manner consistent with this rule. This rule does not require that Members read the bills. It merely guarantees the opportunity to do so. It has 4 cosponsors. Justice Louis Brandeis famously said, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant." The Sunlight Rule would do much towards negating the cycle of pseudo-crises and cleaning up the legislative process here in Washington. I sincerely hope this is the year Congress remembers its deliberative duties and passes it. -Ron Paul- http://www.house.gov/paul/index.shtml

Comments (25)

  1. ROCKNROLLPIMP says

    God help us all because i beileve the end is upon us

    Permalink posted 08/29/2009
  2. RGM says

    I thought the world was suppose to end when Y2K was suppose to happen, & during the 80's with the cold war? Our American way of life might end with globalization. I'm some who leans towards amillinialism, not dispensational premillinialism.

    Permalink posted 08/29/2009
  3. ROCKNROLLPIMP says

    one world government=the end of america

    Permalink posted 08/29/2009
  4. RGM says

    My mistake...Gotcha'!

    Permalink posted 08/29/2009
  5. ROCKNROLLPIMP says

    how much biblical prophecy you belive Ray?

    Permalink posted 08/30/2009
  6. RGM says

    Well I use to hold to the dispensation pre-mil viewpoint when I was younger. It seemed like during the GWB years that Bush wanted to bring in the end sooner. But I saw it as more self-fulfilled prophecy. I use to joke that Bush was the Anti-Christ, & Cheney was the false Prophet lol! For about the last ten years I've leaned toward the amil viewpoint. Which claims the church is the representative of Christ here on earth, & it started with the death of Christ some 2000 years ago. There's also the post-mil viewpoint that claims everything will get better, & the world will be Christianize. They all have their flaws, I I haven't thoroughly looked at Amil, or post enough, but Amil looks more convincing. 666 in revelations is transferred into I think it's either Nero or Herod if I'm correct. In Greek numbers can also be letters. There's also Classical Pre-mil that claims the Catholic church is the Church that will fall away, & the pope will be the anti-Christ. From what I remember the Anti-Christ was a problem Amil had trouble explaining as far as end times. I think it could have meant it for the Christians under Nero, or Herod. I pretty sloppy on this stuff, haven't really looked at it in years. A lot of my reference's got destroyed on my move from LA to WA. I use to have a lot of good stuff. I still have my study bible's.

    Permalink posted 08/30/2009
  7. ROCKNROLLPIMP says

    hmmm

    well i am open to ANY interpretation

    Permalink posted 08/30/2009
  8. RGM says

    There's tons of books written this stuff. I use to shop at this bookstore when I lived in So Cal. Great place for theological books!

    http://www.archivesbookshop.com/

    Permalink posted 08/30/2009
  9. ROCKNROLLPIMP says

    kool THANKS

    Permalink posted 08/30/2009
  10. RGM says

    Your welcome brothu'!

    Permalink posted 08/31/2009
  11. Oatmeal says

    millinialism / premillinialism

    What is that?

    I think we should focus more on the Christ than the anti-christ and the church. Focussing on the end is not having faith that to whatever end we head, God has the ultimate compassionate ends planned. Be positive! Know in your heart that Christ is not dead because he was never a body, he is Ram, Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed, he is in and behind all. The collision of societal/religious self interests will have to either produce eventual rocognition of untiy or total destruction. Either way, we play our own part - so be positive!

    Permalink posted 09/16/2009
  12. Cody B says

    I have enough trouble wrapping my head around healthcare..this takes it to the stars..

    Definitely agree with RP on the sunlight thing..

    Permalink posted 09/16/2009
  13. Oatmeal says

    Haha, Cody. Just saying that the world looks like how you think. I have no idea about this (presumably) end of the world stuff, I am just saying that fractitious ideas are illusion. We all inhabit this world and we are all governed by its laws, physical or spiritual or whatever laws rule beyond that. So all this antichrist stuff is, besides spooky and morbid, besides the point. What is the value of it? What is the payoff for self identity?

    All religions are the same thing, an interposition of inflexibility into a world that is unknowable, metaphors for a path that lose meaning when presented with situations that don't fit into dogma. It is a simple expression of interest in God but a compromise on the ability to actually have your own spiritual experience or to deal with aspects of "life" that seem incongruous with societal ideas of morals.

    What does it even mean to contemplate the end of the world? It seems ridiculous to me. You are really contemplating the end of your perception of the world. 

    Permalink posted 09/16/2009
  14. Cody B says

    I like some order, but I like some chaos, too.

    Permalink posted 09/16/2009
  15. Oatmeal says

    Yeah, just because I postulate that there are laws does not mean that we could be conscious of them or work them to some advantage. But I do believe that the chaos even has some purpose, a hint of the highest, and frankly it is not my job to figure it out or think that others should fall in line - that would be more religious. I just want some positivity. 

    Permalink posted 09/16/2009
  16. Cody B says

    It is also above my pay grade..

    Permalink posted 09/16/2009
  17. Oatmeal says

    Hilarious

    Permalink posted 09/16/2009
  18. RGM says

    Here sre the viewpoint if your interested

    Pre-millennialism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-millennialism

    Amillennialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism

    Postmillennialism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmillennialism

    They are all the study of ends times known are eschatology.

    Christian-eschatology

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_eschatology

    Permalink posted 09/18/2009
  19. RGM says

    "I think we should focus more on the Christ than the anti-christ and the church. Focussing on the end is not having faith that to whatever end we head, God has the ultimate compassionate ends planned"

    I agree we should focus on Christ,& you said some good things there.  You do want to keep things in context though, not just pour in some meaning where there is no room for it. There is room for interpetation, but even then you have to have a proper bassis. God is a God of compassion, but a lot of people ignore his wrathful side that has basis in the bible, like it or not. It not all just fluff, & positive thinking. There is good, but evil still is there. It's an absolute truth, but you can choose to ignore it if you like.

    Know in your heart that Christ is not dead because he was never a body, he is Ram, Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed, he is in and behind all. The collision of societal/religious self interests will have to either produce eventual rocognition of untiy or total destruction. Either way, we play our own part - so be positive!

    He was the God/Man according to the bible, so he did have a body at one time. That sounds like Hinduism, which is not Christianity. Christianity claims one God which is the nature of three God the father, son, & the holy spirit. Known as the trinity. Best describe as 3 who's,& 1 what. That it's, no Ram, Buddha etc. Buddha, & Mohammed were prophets, not got. Christ was the God/man, an answer from an old testement prophacy that Judism rejects. Jews think Christ was a heretic, & blasphamer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Judaism

    Permalink posted 09/18/2009
  20. RGM says

    "All religions are the same thing, an interposition of inflexibility into a world that is unknowable"

    Well part of religion is suppose to be an objective seach of ultimate truth. We all have a worldview, & a belief system even if it's just "This is what I think." You can end up with this circler reasoning. What you call infexibility maybe a truth you just can't accept.

    Permalink posted 09/18/2009
  21. RGM says

    "Definitely agree with RP on the sunlight thing.."

    I'm glad you do. It's something we really need, & puts more accountability on those who pass our laws. I would be more for things like the healthcare bill if the cictizens really held the Fed Gov accountable for their actions. Not holding the Fed Gov for the bailouts doesn't comvince me. It shouldn't have been even considered in the first place IMO. Maybe considered, & rejected just to be nice.

    Permalink posted 09/18/2009
  22. Oatmeal says

    All good points Ray. In general we can't know, and that is why I criticize religion as creating a false binary model of a path to God. But it is a part of God, it exists in creation. I am not claiming to look at this strictly through a Christian paradigm. I believe that Jesus was God as the Avatar. Hinduism does believe in a unitary system of the world with different aspects and levels, but it is all part of one. I do not ignore the wrath, I do think it is coming. But I just don't think that characterizing it as terrible does a service to what may actually be happening. If we are headed to another world war as many feel, we have to look at the spiritual significance of massive destruction, which is that rebirth is possible afterwards. So wrath yes, but is it because God is petty, no. Besides if the soul is eternal, then why be scared. Loss of personal perspective.

    Great coments, I do not disagree. I guess fundamentally I feel like the Bible does not accurately represent what I believe the Avatar really is, and I see no real reason to distinguish may of these prophets from Jesus. From time to time god comes as man to realign. In his wake a religion springs forward to attempt to consolidate teachings, but inevitably it becomes tinged with self-interest and hypocrissy. But I accept that the god man came for love of man. I think we agree on all that. I ust seek to cast a wider net on who the god man is/was, and am trying to make a point that God is one both sides of a war, and he is behind it because as we both clearly agree - there is a lot of wonky stuff going on.

    Have a great weekend. I hope my ramble made some sense!

    Permalink posted 09/18/2009
  23. RGM says

    Well it's stuff that I'll have to admit I have & still struggle with & will till the day I die. It's good to chew on thought, hammer out things. It can, & should challenge your thinking,& emotions. At the sametime don't let emotion effect your decesions on ebeything. I didn't come to a lot of conclusions on this stuff over night. I'm sure you haven't either on a lot of things. You have ask also does hypocracy change the truth? & are you still willing to accept the truth in & of itself. Just food for thought.

    Have a great weekend bud!

    Permalink posted 09/18/2009
  24. Oatmeal says

    Emotion by definition shapes views on everything. The world is emotion, the impression the world make son you cause you to react and "feel".

    BTW, what if Christ did come back and we as humans just did not recognize him on the huge scale that is envisioned by the premillenial theory.

    Permalink posted 09/18/2009
  25. RGM says

    "Emotion by definition shapes views on everything. The world is emotion, the impression the world make son you cause you to react and "feel"."

    I would say everything, although sometimes it seems to be the case. Sometimes you have to put your feelings aside, & just do the right thing. I know people can have good intention's, but as the old saying goes, "the road to hell is paved with good intention." Remember thoughs with bad intentions could play off thoughs with good intentions.

    "BTW, what if Christ did come back and we as humans just did not recognize him on the huge scale that is envisioned by the premillenial theory."

    You would, according to the Pre-Mill viewpoint, it suppose to happen during the battle of Armegeddon from what I remember. The Anti-Christ is suppose to claim to be Christ, or saviour of the wold, & have all the answers. It deception, that's why you have some Christians calling certain people like presidents, or pope's an Anti-Christ who look good only on the surface. BTW there is also classical pre-mill, that thinks the Anti-Christ will come out the Catholic church. If you read the part of Revelations where it talks about church's. Some of the church's fall away from the truth. At the sametime it's put there so church's could self-examine it self to see where they stand.

    Of couse I'm one who leads toward that Christ is here already spiritually represented by the Christian Church.

    Also you have within the Christian world you have Christian cults like Mormans, Jehovah Wittness, plus you have con artist, like Faith Healers you see on TV. They divert from from the essentials of Christanity. Some hold that the Holy Spirit is not a person of the God head, or have their own unfounded interpetation of the Trinity,or other diversions of the essentials. Like I said their is some room for for interpitation, & but not on other subjects like the Trinity.When it come's down to it, Christanity is it's own world within the world.

    Permalink posted 09/19/2009

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