Bob Dylan Wrote Propaganda Songs
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Well, at least that was my opinion for a long time. When I was younger I was a big generationalist (think in simile to racist). I went through a short phase of classic rock, and never grew out of the Led Zep and Hendrix totally, but I had some real hostility toward the Dead and Dylan, and many of the like. I gave away all my Pink Floyd, Cream, and more when I realized that these old people did not think hip hop was music. I was outraged. And I still believe that older generations have yet to grasp what is facing Gen x-ers and the younger. But I have softened my ways. My wife loves Dylan, and I can listen in short spurts. But musicaly I remain a bit more militant. Everything becomes part of the status quo I guess. But seriously, the hippies need to come back forward and show a little mentoring for the current state of the world. That is if it meant anything.
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Heh..I'm in the middle of the two generations, so I'm all messed up. But, I'll say this, the people who elevated Dylan, Janis, Jim,and Jimi to icon status also made them a part of the mainstream. Then when they went from anti-establishment to the establishment they defanged music by marketing it to death and then turned around and said there are no more Dylan,Janis, or Jimi's and destroyed the system they created to make icons.
or maybe i'm just messed up..'cause I love the Dead,Dylan, Janis,Jimi and KRS-One, Common, and Rakim.
BTW- Your avatar looks like Robert Redford, if its you, you oughta be in pictures,kid.
That got a laugh from my wife and I, thanks for the compliment!
Your first comment was right on. It enraged me when people said there was no more good music being made. I still think many of those bands are overrated, especially Floyd, but I can't draw a line between my attitude and a reasoned musical opinion.
And yes, you are screwed up, totally.
I think your generational thing has a lot of merit, in a way there can never be another 60's or 70's as far as vast youth culture spanning icons go. The game has completely changed. Choices were really limited then.
There's also the case of jazz wher each new generation is compared to the be bop era cats who operated in an entirely different ball park where jazz was high up on the pop culture radar.
Cody nailed my view as well. It's a different world - for better or worse - and not quite what we expected when we were kids. The grand creative flowering of rock and pop back in the day was like nothing since. And like Marcuse said. any potentially dangerous manifestation of a technological culture is absorbed, neutered and regurgitated by that culture.
"the hippies need to come back forward and show a little mentoring for the current state of the world."
There are currently three types of "hippies" left in the world the way I see it -
1 - Those that have sold out completely: espouse lofty goals and ideals but don't live by them (hippicrits)
2- Those that have turned their back on the military industrial corporate complex this world has been transformed into and have managed to escape (read avoid) it by moving to the country, mountains, what have you. (hipifundists) ((as in hippie fundamentalists))
3- Working class hippies: work within the system and try their damnedest but get scorned and looked down upon by the masses for living out their beliefs and not trying to keep up with the Jones'.
Is a Sage supposed to go in search of his students?
B42: excellent point, I just fear that so many of us are asleep. My comment was coming out of a place of alienation, not feeling like the earlier generation counterculture recognized some of the best dissent of the day, and therefore perhaps my generation will make the same mistakes. But this is obviously off the cuff and not anywhere approaching a cohesive criticism. We are asleep in many ways, mentoring and communication are needed. The students need to know where the sage is?!
Mike: punk is pretty lame these days too - most everything at Warped, all pretty neutered.