MUSIC CHATTER AND MATTER

A *Letter* to _my_ editor

Posted over 2 years ago
I *NEED* to listen to more women ...Why do I listen to far more male artists/bands/lead vocals than women ??? I could say, & do think part of it is the fact that it seems there are more men in the spotlight than women. We had Lita Ford as one of the token _female_ hair bands, Pat Benatar (GODDESS), Blondie, Madonna, Cindi Lauper (way underappreciated), Tori Amos, Babes in Toyland ... But for each Lita Ford – there were 20 male hair bands, Pat & Blondie/ 50 versions of David Bowie & Adam Ant, Madonna, Cindi Lauper, Tori, the Babes & tampon-throwing L7/Perry Ferrell & his motley crew (hee hee) of Jane’s Addiction, Faith No More, Lenny Kravitz ... the list seems endless & that list is overrun with men.Now in a “different world”, (what up Lisa Bonet) ... I would have _NO_ problem with all these men – to be honest in this world I _don’t_ have that much of a problem with it being overrun with men – I like men, _*a lot*_ !!! When it comes to the majority of my collection – I gravitate towards strength. I like intense vocals/thrashing/ripping/dirty guitars, often it’s men behind that sound ... but(there’s always a but isn’t there) ;) , there are _*also*_ the times when I’d prefer finding the strength in a voice just as strong, a message even *MORE* powerful & a heart that is _rarely_ seen in the male dominated section of your local record shop. I’m not speaking of the lovely ladies mentioned above – though they certainly fit the bill (well, Madonna does _now_ – her early albums were shite due to awful vocals – in my opinion). There’s a woman, a powerhouse, an idol of mine – someone who got me through some really rough times – cared & carried me as only a true girlfriend would, _in a totally hetero way ;)_. She bandaged my wounds & ultimately put me back into the game with more strength & confidence than when I first put my hat in that ring.She’s a founding member of a band I worshipped in high school – Throwing Muses. But it’s her first solo album that stands out in my mind as a near perfect *record*, Hips & Makers.College was a really tumultuous time for me, extreme highs & lows ... she was always there ... I’ve always been of the mind that when troubled & miserable, I want to listen to people who feel that pain - _Shiny Happy People_ just never cut it for me ... The Cure, Depeche Mode, dear lord, who’s more miserable than The Smiths ??? ;) They would empathize, not shove positivity in my face. As a woman though, Kristin Hersh got it & knew better than any man could, what it took to commiserate with me & how that would get me out of the muck & gunk that sometimes enter my stratosphere. (If you’ve been reading my posts & comments these last few months ... you know there are others who could fit this bill *Tori* etc., but I wanted to spotlight Kristin).One song in particular, stands as delicate as a dragonfly, strong as 200 year old tree: *The Letter*. It spins out of control – just as my life sometimes did(does), but in such a soft & acoustic brilliance, that it sneaks up on you without you knowing, pulls you in then sets you free – all in the span of 2 minutes and 47 seconds ...I give you a legend in my own mind – Kristin Hersh.& here's a horrible copy of her song Sundrops - I used this in a play my friend wrote & I directed. Bare with the terrible quality ... it's all I could find :)(thank you Kristin, when I’m lost & you’re with me, I’m not to far from found)!

Comments (31)

  1. Lizziegreeneyes says Thanks moovy ... I've read & heard about her for *AGES*, & have heard her sing backup on some tracks I _do_ have, LOVE Rufus (though it took a long time to come around to him ... when I saw him open for Tori so very long ago - all I could think was "what a whiny beehatch". Now I hear his music for what it is: genius !!! He was AMAZING at the EP last year ... he had the best time & loved the Irish crowd. _Your Ghost_ - a truly amazing song & M Stipe compliments her voice so hauntingly, I've had that one on repeat for hours at a time ... but _The Letter_ - there is something even more intimate in it - bare bones; & her quiet strength ... sister got it going on in truckloads ! ... will definitely check out MWainwright !!!
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  2. Anonymous says nice!! i like her music alot too , gonna look more into this. thanks! I get that same problem too in music, I like music that has strength in it! grrr :) cause life can be tough and I don't feel like hearing sappy stuff. well ... sappy but with meaning heh! :) thanks for the post!
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  3. Rawkkiddoh says I know the feeling, and I feel the pain of lack of women a lot when it comes to punk music. I do have my favorites though, and they get played when I need to hear a girl who I feel is singing to me..
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  4. J-9 says Well I wanna chick who freakin rocks out man...like Lita Ford or Heart!! Flyleaf's singer gets on my nerves with her high pitched voice!! Same with Evanessence...Cranberries was good and so was Eurythmics..although they weren't really hard core. Anyways, my hubby bought me a Hello Kitty guitar...I had big dreams...starting my own band, however, life keeps gettin in the way!! As the ol saying goes, it's a man's world!! If anyone knows some rockin chick bands I wanna know..like my ol fave Heart!!
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  5. Lizziegreeneyes says Evanessence is a poor woman's Miranda Sex Garden - now that's some hard shite (check them out ...) I dig: Miranda Sex Garden Letters to Cleo Ani DiFranco Yeastie Girls (in post - Babes in Toyland & L7, Tori Amos, Cindi Lauper, Pat Benatar) Concrete Blonde Johnette Napolitano (lead singer of Concrete Blonde) Pretty & Twisted (side project of Johnette Napolitano ... Fiona Apple Eva Cassidy her vocals blow me away - what a loss) Garbage Gemma Hayes Jenny Owen Youngs - lyrics make her totally hardcore ... Jill Scott Mary J Blige Lauren Hill Mieka Pauley Nikka Costa PJ Harvey (Liz Phair is a poor woman's PJ Harvey - I know I may ruffle some feathers with that comment - I just think Liz is vapid after that first album of hers - saw her live a few years back - she BLEW CHUNKS - dig her first name though) ;) Pretenders Joan Jett Regina Spektor Tracy Bonham I have to say though - I am ashamed that's all I can think of right now ... also that was what's on my pod (for the harder ladies - that is - plus it's a bit subjective - you may think some of the ladies above & in my post aren't that hard - I guess it's more strong than hard).
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  6. Magnollia says A few more to add to the list... Kate Bush Sarah McLauchlin Paula Cole Jewel (before she went all Brittney Spears)
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  7. Augusts1 says I loved Throwing Muses but I just have not been able to get into her solo work, just too mellow & I don't think it truly showcases her voice like Muses did. In fact I think her solo stuff accentuates the nasally quality of her voice where Muses complimented it. Sorry but I have tried to get into her solo work numerous times. Btw, how dare you even compare Liz Phair to PJ Harvey, lol! There's no comparison. I like some of Liz's work but I *ADORE* PJ & have all her cds. Just love her. I think rock is dominated by men because of the cockrock factor. Guitars are phallic symbols for men to show off their junk in a socially acceptable way so I think this attracts men more cause they want to advertise their sexual prowess. Don't ask me what it means for women, don't wanna even go there, heh!
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  8. Lizziegreeneyes says August: She does have a nasal quality - gets to me from time to time ... but that album - I love it. TM the far better of the two :) (RIGHT on the PJ front ... sorry, momentary lapse of reason). Though you may have a point to the third paragraph - I think it runs deeper (heh heh, I said deeper) than the phallis. Magnollia: WELL DONE - Kate Bush & Paula Cole, Sarah Mc & Jewel (pre-ridiculously short skirts & neon bras) ... I fell out of love with her pretty quickly, but I totally agree - she's a force in the female singer/songwriter world ... a poet no doubt. I more blame the record industry than Jewel ...
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  9. mktackabery says YEAH MORE KRISTIN ON THE MOG!!! Hips & Makers is definitely my favorite but I have, I think, all of her records and I worship her. I dunno, I have a ton of strong women in my collections; while they are not what some consider ballsy, I beg to differ.
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  10. soulrocket says my list of female artists/bands that sound retro in a very good way (there is a very bad way to play retro music). holy golightly (uk) plays real r&b music, the trashwomen (usa) and the astronettes (france) are tough girls that played cool surf & instrumental music, a few good bands in japan too... the pebbles, the apricots, 5,6,7,8's.
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  11. soulrocket says my list got cut, the list followed like this astronettes (france) are tough girls that played instrumental 6 surf music, and from japan the pebbles, 5,6,7,8s & the apricots. sorry for the mess, MOGs fault.
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  12. Lizziegreeneyes says Some more ... Jonatha Brooke Holly Brook Shawn Colvin Alice Peacock Mary's Danish Scheer Stereolab Emmylou Harris Aretha Franklin Roberta Flack Diana Ross & the Supremes Joni Mitchell Joan Baez (though I am *NOT* a fan) Janis Joplin Grace Slick Grace Jones - more _scary_ than anything else though Courtney Love (again - *not* a fan) The Story The Murmurs
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  13. dermahrk says I couldn't even read your post. Is that...Rod Stewart in a SPEEDO? OMFG, how COULD you? Please, a new avatar...chop chop!!!
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  14. Lizziegreeneyes says it's so *bad* it's good ... Blame Lyrikhan ... he always reminds me where my mancrushes _should_ go ... Give me a few days ... & I will shift the pics around ...
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  15. Lester Jonze says Gee. Looks like I'm a bit late here. However.. One of my very best friends whose musical opinions I hold in high regard has a decided bias _against_ female artists. He says he just can't get into them. We differ greatly on this issue. I am drawn towards female artists for some reason. I think there is some quality in a woman's voice which soothes me and gives me security on some level. I don't know, there are however, so many female artists I am in love with. Also, the perception of the female as an artistic muse has a great deal to do with it. Is the woman a greater source for artistic inspiration than the man is. Sometimes, i think this is the case.
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  16. Lester Jonze says How about: Sheryl Crow Joni Mitchell Tracy Thorn Hope Sandoval Aimee Mann Amy Annelle Bebel Gilberto Bjork Julie London Lauryn Hill Billie Holiday Sarah Vaughan Norah Jones and there are many others...
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  17. Lyrikhan says I love the fact that the picture of Rod and tuft have now made its way to the MOG front page with this _post of the day_ what have you done?!
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  18. Lyrikhan says "has now made its" rather....my grammar is great
    Permalink posted 05/21/2007
  19. Lizziegreeneyes says yeah ... but you now have a killer guitarplaying outward facing MOG ... & ROD is now with me ... If this monster gets too big, we'll have to kill it ... Will - *will* you help me ??? ;)
    Permalink posted 05/22/2007
  20. dermahrk says I will be happy to drive a stake through his black, soulless heart at any time. Cheers! :)
    Permalink posted 05/22/2007
  21. iwanttofillyourmouthwithspiders says For a slight genre change from most of those listed above, you can also check out: Walls of Jericho (i know, i sound like a broken record) Tilt; Retching Red OTEP
    Permalink posted 05/22/2007
  22. Lizziegreeneyes says iwantto ... you +may+ break a record anytime on my posts ... I always welcome **any** suggestion from a fellow FNM/MrBungle ... Mike Patton Junkie ... I've heard of Walls of Jericho _I think_ ... I know I'm going to kick myself for asking this ... who's OTEP (if it's a band I know ... I'll beat my own musical butt - hey that's funny ..._musical butt_ ) ;) I gotta say ... (broken record as well) ;) that Scheer's Infliction truly is a what a hardcore pretty voice over insanely dirty guitars with loads of cacophonous reverb & distortion ... +*talk about strong "chick rock"*+ ... Listening to it right now ... +_I Wish You Were Dead_+ just a fantastic song ... I just love **4AD** I am taking a quote from a Lee Graham Bridges ... he nails what I'm thinking in a really great way ... _Standout tracks include "Shea", "Wish You Were Dead", "Demon", "Screaming", "Goodbye". Vague pieces of familiar 4AD themes can be heard on such tracks by imaginative souls after several listens. Yet this a difficult task, because the band succeeds at avoiding displaying influences from other bands, just as they had hoped. But for fun, this reviewer must take a stab at pegging them, as the rest of the music press already has. In a certain mood, Scheer could possibly be compared, as an unidentified reviewer proposed, to a "turbocharged Sundays." However, what they really are is best left to the listener to decide._ I especially like the reference to a "turbocharged Sundays" ... great musical picture :) You can read the entire review "HERE":http://www.westnet.com/consumable/1996/06.15/revschee.html. _(& if my Mum is reading this ... I mean _"chick"_ in the best sense of the word ... as it has a harder sound than: _girlie rock_ _women rock_ _lady rock_ _female rock_ .... those above **just won't do** !!!
    Permalink posted 05/22/2007
  23. SpencerAdmin says As soon as I knew who you were talking about... I was quite pleased. Kristin is a hero!
    Permalink posted 05/22/2007
  24. Lizziegreeneyes says ‎Lindsaybuggahs: MOG deleted both your comments ... & before I got to write the names down ... I tried to delete the one - MOG took them both .... PLEASE accept my most sincere apologies ... I feel DREADFUL about it ... If you don't mind writing it again ... PLEASE do so ... It has **+so much good information on good summer chick rock+** AGAIN - I am +**SOOOOOOOO**+ sorry !!!! **:(**
    Permalink posted 05/22/2007
  25. Mike the Knife says As befit the male-dominated rock scene back in the day, the bulk of my album collection was featured music made/sung/performed by guys. It's certainly more balanced now, and oddly, a considerable number of my favorite contemporary artists are female. I'm just as likely to listen to Feist, Amy Winehouse, Cortney Tidwell, Charlotte Hatherley, Juanita Stein of Howling Bells, Lily Allen, and Inara George of The Bird & The Bee as anything else. And they all come with the MtK Seal of Approval...
    Permalink posted 05/22/2007
  26. Lizziegreeneyes says Kewl Mike ... now - help me find the elusive Lindsaybuggahs ... she too had a sweet list ... I try to balance it out wherever I can - I just love when all these male bands sing songs directly to me - you didn't know they did thatm did you (they hide it *_really_* well on the albums) ;) I don't get the Lily Allen thing (she's not my cuppa tea) ... but I can see why she's popular - does that make sense ??? Tomorrow - I will look into all others in your list ... feel free to send more by ANYTIME - you're always welcome here ... I'll even grab some biscuits to go with that cuppa ;) (you may have coffee if you wish)
    Permalink posted 05/22/2007
  27. Lizziegreeneyes says I FOUND HER ... I am overjoyed ... now I need you all to collectively let Ms. Lindsaybuggahs know I would NEVER intentionally delete her kick arse post ... go - get thee to her MOG page & tell her. Don't worry, I'll wait here for you ... go ahead ... go on now ... go :)
    Permalink posted 05/22/2007
  28. mister gary at work again says Also, if you're interested in 4AD stuff (and keeping with the female artist theme), I've found myself to be a HUGE fan of Pale Saints ... My personal fave is the Slow Buildings album ("Song of Solomon" still gives me goosebumps), but from what I understand, that's an album that elicits a pretty split reaction amongst the band's hardcore fanbase. Still, either way, the band's worth a listen.
    Permalink posted 05/23/2007
  29. mister gary at work again says Heh. Back when the Muses' University came out, a 'musical mentor' of mine who worked at the local indie record store somehow worked the band into doing an in-store set the afternoon of a Michigan tour date. He told me for weeks that I needed to go and check this band out, and while I knew who they were, I'd never really listened. Well, in-store date came and I was there - and from the second she strummed her guitar and began to sing, I was mesmorized. After the set, the band was cool enough to stay and sign CDs/chat folks up for a bit. My buddy grabbed me and led me over to Hersh (who he'd been b.s.ing with the whole afternoon) and introduced me by saying, "This is my buddy Gary; he'd never actually heard you until this afternoon, but he's completely in love with you now." ... and he was right. I was smitten. KristIn Hersh then proceeded to hug me, and I went numb for about 15 minutes. So best. Still think her best material is Hips and Makers, though I'm most partial to the tune "Me and My Charms" -- so intense. *sigh*
    Permalink posted 05/23/2007
  30. Lizziegreeneyes says Pale Saints - +Slow Buildings+ .... that's just TOO cool for SCHOOL **mister gary** ... also my favorite from them ... righty-o, that's going on the *_need to listen to very soon_* !!! Plus a Pittsburgh Pirates fan - my Mum's side of the family came over from Ireland & settled in PBurgh - have a great uncle, aunt & cousin still out there !!! That is SOOO cool - never seen TM or KH / TD live ... would live to see Kristin though !!! It's strange, I am so picky about vocals - if it's too nasal, monotone or whispy, *worst case scenario ALL OF THE ABOVE* then I am usually adverse. But both Kristin & Duncan Sheik often go nasal ... & still I *+swoon+* Red Heaven/Real Ramona/Hips & Makers all brilliant - never got that into Belly - but I did have the cassette way back when ... need to go through the collection to see what happened to University ... may have to snag a new copy - have NO idea where it is, it may have fled the stacks ;)
    Permalink posted 05/23/2007

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