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Who makes the Nazis indeed...
Today there was a march, somewhere, of people opposed to our current president and his efforts to make this country a better place than it is for all Americans.
I would like to share some photos from the march, because I think they speak volumes about a segment of our population that seems to have COMPLETELY LOST THEIR MINDS!
Either that, or they are gullible, or racists, or unthinking, or some combination of these things and many others.
Please note this young lad's t-shirt. The sign is ridiculous enough, but the t-shirt is absolutely appalling. We need a new era of McCarthyism? WTF?
Well, at least as far as Z and R are concerned - talk about calling the kettle black! If I'm not mistaken, the term "CZAR" has been used for quite a while now to describe the people heading various departments of the government. The previous administration used the term as well. Your hypocrisy is showing.
As for C, A, and S - Oh puleeeze. Not even close.
That's nice. He'd rather be torturing people.
Lovely - this guy just wants to torture the President. I suspect the President has a far better education than this guy. I don't know that for sure, but I'm pretty confident.
I'm noticing a trend here... the vast majority of these people are WHITE. Which leads us to the next photo.
I find this very ironic. Generally, it's pretty well known that there's a subsegment of WHITE people that think there is racial superiority, and of course - it's white people. Maybe there's people of other skin tones that think the same way, and if so that's wrong. But this sign is appalling, in so many ways.
That's right ma'am. You're headed straight for a death panel. Even worse, that panel will be made up exclusively of Hispanics. They will decide your fate. All of those illegal aliens, who pick your vegetables and fruit and ensure that the prices are low for you, are going to be totally covered in this plan. But you will be sent to die.
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Death panels? The insurance companies are the death panels. Everybody remember Norma Rae? That's a nice feel good movie, eh? The underdog wins? Well, the real Norma Rae - Crystal Lee Sutton - just died of cancer after treatment was delayed by her insurance company. Who was the bean counting droog that made that decision? Who's pocket is lined just a little bit more by her death?
Because despair and the status quo = freedom, apparently. Despair is nice.
Undesirables, huh? And who is so special that they have the right to decide who qualifies as "undesirable"?
All of this makes me want to vomit.
And the biggest irony of all - these people call themselves Christians.
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There is nothing so pure as the kindness of an Atheist...
Well, at least as far as Z and R are concerned - talk about calling the kettle black! If I'm not mistaken, the term "CZAR" has been used for quite a while now to describe the people heading various departments of the government. The previous administration used the term as well. Your hypocrisy is showing.
As for C, A, and S - Oh puleeeze. Not even close.
That's nice. He'd rather be torturing people.
Lovely - this guy just wants to torture the President. I suspect the President has a far better education than this guy. I don't know that for sure, but I'm pretty confident.
I'm noticing a trend here... the vast majority of these people are WHITE. Which leads us to the next photo.
I find this very ironic. Generally, it's pretty well known that there's a subsegment of WHITE people that think there is racial superiority, and of course - it's white people. Maybe there's people of other skin tones that think the same way, and if so that's wrong. But this sign is appalling, in so many ways.
That's right ma'am. You're headed straight for a death panel. Even worse, that panel will be made up exclusively of Hispanics. They will decide your fate. All of those illegal aliens, who pick your vegetables and fruit and ensure that the prices are low for you, are going to be totally covered in this plan. But you will be sent to die.
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Death panels? The insurance companies are the death panels. Everybody remember Norma Rae? That's a nice feel good movie, eh? The underdog wins? Well, the real Norma Rae - Crystal Lee Sutton - just died of cancer after treatment was delayed by her insurance company. Who was the bean counting droog that made that decision? Who's pocket is lined just a little bit more by her death?
Because despair and the status quo = freedom, apparently. Despair is nice.
Undesirables, huh? And who is so special that they have the right to decide who qualifies as "undesirable"?
All of this makes me want to vomit.
And the biggest irony of all - these people call themselves Christians.
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There is nothing so pure as the kindness of an Atheist...
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.....I will not rise to the bait. Its not clear to me if these are your words or a cut and paste. Or perhaps a cut & paste of your words from another site. In any gathering as large as those we saw yesterday there is bound to be a percentage of assholes & nit-wits. To paint them as representative of the people marching & protesting is dishonest & serves no purpose. Indeed the bile & vitriol of the piece, & the dispicable "playing of the race card"....really is beneath contempt.
We cannot have an honest discussion of ANY issue in this country anymore because the extremes of both sides have (once again) hijacked the dialog.
What is very clear is that a large (and growing) percentage of the populace have lost faith in the current administration. Americans are growing more & more disenchanted with their President's voracity.
.....But none of that matters if you paint all protesters as knuckle-dragging neanderthals does it?
....The protests were pretty peaceful though, weren't they? I mean, they didn't start rioting & destroying property & Spewing bile from the platform, right?
....Oh, i'm sure there were incidents here n there. But by n large the protest were peaceful.
.....George Orwell would have loved Our President.
I'm not trying to bait anyone. These people may well be a small percentage of the group that showed up yesterday - but the fact that these sentiments exist in this country is really sad.
The only "cut and paste" I did was cross post to different blogs that I have. These are very much my words and commentary about these photos.
Peaceful protests are great - I'm all for them. I'm all for voicing dissent when we disagree with the leaders of our country. But don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to call the people that voiced disagreement with Bush were labeled traitors and "America haters" but now the people voicing dissent are the "real" patriots?
You and I are probably never going to agree on these things, that I can tell. I would be happy to have discussion -
How do you propose that we ensure health care for everyone in this country?
you gotta love that grin behind the 'senor citizens' sign. well, im christian, and i don't agree with them, so i hope you dont bundle us all in one group. ;) just some people can be extremely selfish.
How do you propose that we ensure health care for everyone in this country?
....why on earth should i wish to? I mean, seriously, Why?
We are born...endowed by our creator with certain rights. I do not get a single right from government at any level.
...No...if u wish to tell yopur creator that he must insure your health....feel freee.
@ Sam - I certainly don't lump all Christians in with this group. But I find that on the one hand calling oneself a Christian - which, if I understand correctly is a following of Jesus who preached things like "love they neighbor" and caring for those that are less fortunate than ourselves.
@ dmdm - Why should you? Compassion? Caring? The betterment of this country by ensuring that millions of people can be productive members of society because they're able to maintain their health?
Or is it just tough shit for the people that aren't fortunate enough to work for an employer that provides insurance, or that don't make enough to pay the exhorbitant premiums, or who find themselves bankrupt because they became seriously ill?
As for your second comment... since I'm an Atheist, I have a hard time with the concept of a creator endowing us with certain rights trumping the human societal structures that govern our daily lives in the world of reality. What might those rights be?
Whoa, these neo-liberals..with their marching, top rated media, and outrage..
Seriously though Con's are a little rusty on the marching..glad to see 'em out though.
After this healthcare bill gets finalized..you will see the liberals (my team) put our march together and it will dwarf this one.
Not sure exactly what this groups agenda was...but our agenda is a little more clear (change the healthcare system), plus this time its positive. Glad to march for a positive, for once.
No one denies the need for health-care reform. Only the means. People are protesting the outrageous government spending in this & the previous administration.
.....Cody B. You can be as dismissive as you wish, the numbers are growing by the hour.
@Librarinaguish
As for your second comment... since I'm an Atheist, I have a hard time with the concept of a creator endowing us with certain rights trumping the human societal structures that govern our daily lives in the world of reality. What might those rights be?
....Have you read the constitution
I'm not dismissing it..I'm saying its aim is a little scattered and despite the stoking, the size is not that large..We don't even have a bill yet. When there is a bill, then we can talk.
A general argument about the size of government is something to argue about. However, the people that are less concerned with the size of government..WON THE ELECTION.
So, I guess we will get legislation that will be detoothed somewhat by the Repubs in DC. This is how it works,right.
Some of the signs are pretty damn mean spirited though..not that anti-Bush signs and demos weren't..but I'd have to say these go a little further.
Mostly what I'm saying is that to accuse your opponent of being unamerican is just wrong..not the way to win an argument or even invite a two way street.
I'll be glad to say that both Bush and Obama are at the least very,very,very American. So, shall we drop the defensiveness and argue the issues..or continue on with the name calling and feigned,real,or stoked outrage.
The point I was trying to make with this post, or I suppose the question that needs to be asked, is why the hate? And why such venemous hatred directed specifically at President Obama, personally.
And why are some people in the media, like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and the handfull of others working so hard to stir up more hatred towards the president?
If these people are protesting the outrageous spending of the previous administration as well, where were they when that was happening? What people should really be protesting against is the corporatism that both parties are guilty of supporting and promoting.
As Cody says - WE WON the election. Eight years before that, we lost. This is how the country works. Democrats were hardly obstructionist as the Bush administration rammed all kinds of things through. But Republicans seem to think that the country should belong to them and them only, and they're going to do every damn thing they can to make sure the rest of us get that through our silly liberal heads.
But again, I ask - why the hate?
Yeah, it is hard to say it is just the crazies doing the hateful stuff..this strategy comes from the top down. Also, corporatism,IMO, is the real enemy. Both parties are on that bandwagon.
Though cloaking ones self in the flag is not a new strategy..it is a non-starter as a negotiating tool, because it only enrages me when someone tells me I'm less American then they are..
Glenn or Shawn or Rush or Joe the Plumber or Joe Q. Public may have an idea about what their America looks like...my idea might be a little different.
We elected a bunch of folks in a fair and legal election who we thought would take America toward our vision..that vision is not socialism.
Obstruction is a strategy, it is a way to pull the left back to the center and it is working to some extent, protest is a strategy too. Framing the debate is a strategy. All of it is legit, American, and necessary. I guess name calling is a strategy,too. As is going far,far right in an argument when your goal is the center.
Is it a good strategy,though, short or long term, to call the President unAmerican, which would thereby implicate me and 50 million other people unAmerican for supporting him in healthcare reform?
We will see.
I will say this, I can get angry too. The right has not cornered anger or frustration.
My unemployment has been up for quite a while now, my industry is essentially wiped out, and I'm going back to school on my own dime. I pay taxes, I vote, I buy stuff, I'm in the PTA, my kid plays baseball and soccer. I live in a neighborhood with mosques, and synagogues, and churches.
I am an American and I am sick and tired of people telling me and my neighbors anything different.
....Your candidate did indeed win...by winning the center...which he is rapidly losing.....Just an observation.
...A growing number of Americans are feeling betrayed by the current administration........Just an observation.
....I am rolling on the floor laughing at your assertion that
Democrats were hardly obstructionist as the Bush administration rammed all kinds of things through.
.....wait...I'm still laughing.
Some of the signs are pretty damn mean spirited though..not that anti-Bush signs and demos weren't..but I'd have to say these go a little further.
....Cody, Did you say this with a straight face?
Yes. Both sides march(ed) with signs that are negative. But there is some real venom in the anti-obama signs, that I didn't see in signs about Bush..Cheney is another matter.
.Your candidate did indeed win...by winning the center...which he is rapidly losing.....Just an observation.-isn't it always this way..See Bush
...A growing number of Americans are feeling betrayed by the current administration........Just an observation.-true..always true although betrayed is a loaded word,probably too strong. You can't always get what you want....exactly.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_secrets_of_obama_rhetoric_DWXQbqv0OZJ173kjZJP7JM?offset=48
If he isn't a gifted orator knock him down, if heis a gifted orator is knock him down. Is he not a great communicator in the mold of Ronald Reagan?
Politics is all rhetoric..that's what speeches are. That fella can debunk all he likes. Kind of cynical I say.You have to try to convince folks.
Secrets of Republican Rhetoric:
For the skilful propagandist knows that while you must start with a plausible analysis, you must not keep on analyzing, because the tedium of real political accomplishment will soon destroy interest. So the propagandist exhausts the interest in reality by a tolerably plausible beginning, and then stokes up energy for a long voyage by brandishing a passport to heaven.-Walter Lippman
why such hate? Thats not a difficult question. Obama is The Other. The Foreigner. He's not white. He lived in Indonesia. He's Not American.
It's all about race and the fact that these folks are clinging to a (dying) ideology based on a dominant culture that is made of white folks, and Obama represents the future of our country, a 'minority-majority' culture.
I do admit that signs against W in some of the shriller quarters of the liberal world were equally rude and disrespectful.
why such hate? Thats not a difficult question. Obama is The Other. The Foreigner. He's not white. He lived in Indonesia. He's Not American.
...Total unadulterated bullshit. Ugly, racist bullshit. Such comments are only made by the truely ............
i really didn't like the conclusion either, but I believe at least for some of the folks depicted in those pics above, thats what it comes to.
Look, we can disagree about policy and his ideology, (and I know you and I do, and I respect our differences of opinion) but that bumper sticker pic i posted is real, and so is the undertone of why folks feel the need to bring a gun to an Obama speech.
so is the undertone of why folks feel the need to bring a gun to an Obama speech.
@dharmarchis
What undertone? The guy was black.
Well, at least you guys debate. Here in Canada we wake up every morning asking who's in power today?
since I'm an Atheist, I have a hard time with the concept of a creator
@Librarianguish
It's ok to be an Athiest. I doesn't mean that you need to be offended by the word "creator". Your creator is not important. It is the concept that You are final arbitor.
The issue is the ever growing evidence that this administration, and the "people (he) surrounds (him)self with", along with the, yes, Socialist wing of the Democratic Congress, are trying to ride the proverbial wave to gain as much control over the private sector, States, and by default, our rights, as possible. Luckily, they hit about 2 million rocks.
As for your second comment... since I'm an Atheist, I have a hard time with the concept of a creator endowing us with certain rights trumping the human societal structures that govern our daily lives in the world of reality.
@Librarianguish - not quite sure where you got that definition of the creator's purpose for us. The Bible actually states that we were given no rights at all, unless you call freedon a right. And that we blew it.
But then, I'm off topic.
See DMDM's comment - I have no concept of any "creator" endowing any rights...
I see the bible as nothing more than another piece of fiction - full of moral tales that the so called followers seem to have forgotten. Except maybe the hateful parts, which come in awful handy when one wants to rail against say, gay people...
I have huge problems with the idea that only one religion is the true religion - that god somehow favors one group over another. Why should any one group or race be more special than another? If both sides are clamoring that only they are right - then how can either be right?
I prefer the framework of the here and now - we are here, we live on this planet called earth and we have to find a way to make it work. Foisting it all off onto imaginary entitiy that provides excuses for hate an oppresion just don't fly with me.
Thank you for your calm and rational comment here. I want to discuss these issues - if you (meaning anybody) have something rational to add to the discussion, then I want to hear it. Do your best to convice me that I'm wrong!
My questions again are - how can anybody oppose something that will help millions of people? For crying f*cks sake, have we become a country so lacking in compassion that we think the less fortunate should just be stomped on and tossed aside? The current proposals are in no way perfect, but at leat they are a step forward rather than backwards. Are we really so selfish and greedy?
To me, the only real answer is single payer health care - and before you bastardize that system spend some real, quality time with somebody that has lived with something like the NHS. If we weren't so f*cking self centered here in the states, we might be able to see beyond our own noses that a national system WORKS.
What would it be like for companies if they didn't have to pay for health insurance premiums for their employees? What would it be like if people could risk stepping away from their jobs and starting entrepenurial ventures because they didn't have to worry about health care?
Have you ever made a career decision based on whether you have health care or not? I have.
Do you worry that one one major health concern can bankrupt your family? I do.
Does anyone in your immediate family lack health insurance because it's too expensive? Do you ever avoid health care because even though you have insurance, you can't really afford to pay the deductible?
I would much rather pay a tax (oh, that horrid, horrid word) to ensure that every American had access to health care than have to spend my time worrying.
My health, and the health of those I love and the people I know is far more valuable than any dollar in my bank account.
And it's way more valuable than the dollars in the pockets of the insurance CEO's...
http://www.healthreformwatch.com/2009/05/20/health-insurance-ceos-total-compensation-in-2008/
Convince me that these people do something valuable. That they earn their compensation.
WTF do these people need so much money for? Boats? Botox? What?
The government is not the demon in this debate - it's the insurance corporations that have the rights of personhood, but none of the conscience that goes along with actual life. The sole purpose of a corporation is to make money for the shareholders - humans be damned.
Because really, isn't the rabble of humanity just another resource to rape and take advantage of in the pursuit of the almighty dollar?
damnit woman... I FUCKING LOVE YOU!
@ Librarian.....My brother just died of lung cancer. He was destitute....He received excellent care none-the-less. NO one denies that health care needs reform. How many times must i say that? But the fed gov is NOT the answwer
Ham Soda says
The issue is the ever growing evidence that this administration, and the "people (he) surrounds (him)self with", along with the, yes, Socialist wing of the Democratic Congress, are trying to ride the proverbial wave to gain as much control over the private sector, States, and by default, our rights, as possible. Luckily, they hit about 2 million rocks.
Who is a socialist (btw,thanks for capitalizing:))?, are you sure you aren't secretly a socialist? Anyway, why so much faith in the private sector? Where does that faith come from? Why is it so strong?
I've been spending a lot of time with Libertarians (hey I see John Stossel got a gig at FOX, good fit) on line because they seem to be the only voice on line. I can't find the center of the Rebuplican party on line..anywhere.
I like the idea of a third party and agree with libertarian positions on a couple of things (legal drugs,anti_Iraq).
One major disagreement is the faith in the free market..over the years people have demanded regulation, got it, and companies managed to turn a profit. We have a hybrid system, that has worked pretty well, making us a very rich country.
Anyone who believes that anybody but the most liberal house democrats is an actual socialist (5 of'em at most,I'd say zero), is wrong. We are the most capitalist nation on earth.
Even if this bill passes with a public option we will still be a capitalist country, just like Great Britian and Canada. It is not the voice of the people that will kill a public option, it is the corporations who oppose it. At this point they have the power to do that. I'd like to see that change. For now folks are carrying water for corporations.
I prefer the framework of the here and now - we are here, we live on this planet called earth and we have to find a way to make it work. Foisting it all off onto imaginary entitiy that provides excuses for hate an oppresion just don't fly with me.
@Librarianguish
You are absolutley right. No one is foisting anything except for you, though. Your so quick to trumpet the religion alarm you fail to see everything else.
"(W)e have to find a way to make it work". We can't do that if every time we have a disagreement, we attack strawmen positions to avoid the real discusion. I can't believe that you believe this country lacks compassion. Unless compassion can only be measured by what "the gov can do for us". Even then, I wouldn't consider it lacking compassion. In fact, I would call it damaging compassion. As most young birds will jump from the nest on their own, one or two may need a little shove from mommy to get them going. It would not be compassionate for the mother to leave the bird in the nest. She could not possibly feed it for the rest of their lives. They would both be doomed, unless of course the mother decides to no longer care for her dependent.
This is a "primary truth" that is evident throughout history. We, as humans do have certain responsibilities to each other, for a civilization can not survive otherwize. However, to determine how these mutual responsibilities will be met is to determine the longevity of the civilization. I think we both agree this is the issue.
We want the best possible health care for all. How do we accomplish this? Can we accomplish this? It is ok to believe the government can. It is also ok to question that opinion. Be sure you know what you are asking for.
"One major disagreement is the faith in the free market..over the years people have demanded regulation, got it, and companies managed to turn a profit. We have a hybrid system, that has worked pretty well, making us a very rich country."
.....The insurence industry is the MOST heavily regulated industry in the USA...........A Major reason why healthcare costs are so high.