WHERE THE HOKEY POKEY "IS" WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT

America, We Have A Problem ........

Posted about 1 year ago
Not to long ago this headline appeared in my local news paper."Formerly Pork Chop, the mascot's new name is Ferrous":http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_5porkchopbox.6167205dec04,0,6269719.storyThe Ironpigs are a local farm league based in the Lehigh valley. It seems every big decision the organization has to make becomes a contest. That's okay, it builds goodwill with the public, I am on board. We had a contest for the team name, one for the uniform colors, potty partitions, brand of frank to be served and yada yada yada .... you get the idea. So the latest contest involved picking a name for the team mascot. The mascot is a freaking pig. Remember this it will be important in just a minute. So anyway the contest was won by a cute 5 year old who thought the name "Porkchop" would be fun. "Porkchop" is a good name I thought, it's endearing, it's easy to remember, fits with the whole porcine theme going on around this baseball team and more importantly I saw a adaptation of the Braves "Hatchet Chop", you know the "Pork Chop" in the 7th inning stretch if we are in the lead, kinda like saying, "turn out the lights, game over".Well "Porkchop" was never meant to be, at least in the Lehigh Valley. Turns out, there was an outcry of discrimination over the intended name. You read correctly, D I S C R I M I N A T I O N ! But first a nickels worth of history. Lehigh Valley was home to the now defunct steel making giant Bethlehem Steel. "The Steel" was the employer of record for all of the years of it's operation. Located on the South side of Bethlehem, much of the plant was neighbours with Bethlehem's ethnic neighbourhoods. Most prevalent being Polish and Slavic and the other being Puerto Rican and Portuguese (yeah Portuguese, who knew). Well as you can imagine back in the day before there was a term for political correctness, each ethnic group and economic strata had its hateful/playful/vulgar names to describe one another, and one of those names was, yup you guessed it, porkchop.Porkchop was used to describe Puerto Ricans and Portuguese. As for its origins, I don't know, I first heard it used in this way myself when I read the news article 2 days ago. In fact the leader of the movement, one Guillermo Lopez (the fella who spearheaded the movement) admitted, he had heard the term alot in the 70's and by the time he left "The Steel" in '83 he rarely heard it. Now, thanks to Guillermo, the term "pork chop" is derogatory again.Why are people so freakin sensitive? Clearly 5 year old Kylie Shimkus (who won the contest) didn't have malice in her heart. She thought it was cute. In all seriousness, racism sucks. I'll be the first admit that. I have seen my share of racism in the service (most of it aimed at blacks) and felt very uncomfortable around bigots. If included in a conversation that started with racial epithets, most of the time I would smile and try to change the subject or just leave, and sometimes I would speak up. Racism serves no good purpose and when used to degrade others , ... well to me it just shows what kind of moron that person really is. I would also like to say, if the intent and meaning of the words are innocent enough, don't pitch a fit. You wind up making an issue when there wasn't one there in the first place.

Comments (61)

  1. Groon says I have come to find over the years that some people are just not happy unless they are miserable about something. That's ridiculous at best. So, everyone who eats porkchops for Sunday dinner is being racist and mentally trying to devour the Portuguese and Puerto Ricans? People just need to get over stuff.
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  2. Marigold says Well said Chris. Political correctness is out of hand.
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  3. I am says Did you guys read the article? It is sad really. I was actually toying with the idea of calling the local Latino Alliance and saying something like, " Hello, I was going to order dinner at the diner and the special is (whispering) pork chops. I really don't want to offend anyone. So do you have any suggestions about how I should order?" Mike, it is way out of hand. To the point of being debilitating. Funny thing is the Portuguese here think the term is kind of funny. They don't take offence at all.
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  4. Cody B says There are also a million different words in the dictionary..Not that Porkchop or the little girl are rascist, but if enough people are offended by it, why not pick a different name and not offend them. lemme put it this way..how many would have to be offended before you would consider not using the name?
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  5. Marigold says *General Manager Kurt Landes. ''If it offended a few, it's a few too many.''* I am offended that a few people are offended. Now what are you going to do Mr. Landes?
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  6. I am says Capitulation Cody, They folded and changed. I am upset that there is an issue. A 5 year old picked the name, porkchop is a local slur and one that isn't used except in the ols "Steel" bars of our area. It is completely innocuous. Why bring it up? I should say here Guillermo drummed up support for the name change. It actually offend just one person or two at most.
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  7. Cody B says Why should people who find the name offensive just suck it up? Like the GM sez, why would he want to offend potential customers? are minorities or offended people who have finally worked up the courage (cause they used ta just get their house burned down for walking funny) to speak up about stuff like this unable to exercise their right to free speech! Why the hell shouldn't they speak up if it bothers them.. Hey we're all potential customers here..if you want to get something done you gotta be a squeaky wheel. If you don't care what the name is, why should you care if someone else does? At first I though that Jews and Muslims were gonna be the offendeds here. Go Puerto Ricans and Portuguese.. Why are you sticking up for porkchops!
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  8. Cody B says Those two people musta had a big megaphone...or maybe they were just the vocal tip of a hugely offended group..I dunno. I do know that they got in the paper...I'm sure the 5 year old girl will get a lifetime supply of pork chops from a sympathetic butcher. Can we take this to the top of the charts? Let's talk about another incident like this..Imus
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  9. Marigold says Cody, the Pig is not Portuese or Puerto Rican. It is *pig* that is a mascot...a porkchop if you will. It is obvious the term is directed to the pig. Therefore it is not offensive. It is not being used in an offensive way. The term was picked to describe the pig that is a mascot. Not a Portuguese or Puerto Rican that is a mascot. People choose to be offended. The lady in the linked story chose to be offended. This is crazyness. This story is so crazy and my comment above exemplifies how ridiculous this is getting. So if two people are offended by something that is not meant to be offensive. Then it is ok to piss of the majority of people? 10,000 people have an idea. 2 people are offended by said idea. Idea is struck down. 10,000 people are pissed. 2 people are happy.
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  10. Cody B says so far only four people were offended (that i know of) by the other people being offended..is porkchop really that good of an idea? Not that ferrous rocks either..except for ferrous ferret race night, and ferrous breulers day game at the ball park. Wait though..if people are offended, what should they do? The dollar and the media always decide. If you are offended fly it up the flagpole..she what you get.. As for the math problem 10,000 < 2..it really depends what the idea is. If this helps, I am not offended by the fact that you are offended by the fact that, that other guy was offended:) Can we take this to the top! Mike, did you weigh in on the Imus/Rutgers thing when that was up on Mog? has anyone talked about his re hire..some find it offensive
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  11. I am says Okay Cody, I'm game. News or Entertainment? How do you feel about this one? Christmas insanity: 'Ho, ho, ho' becomes 'Ha, ha, ha' Controversy erupts over attempt to gag Santa's greeting Posted: November 14, 2007 5:00 p.m. Eastern © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com Santas saying 'No, no, no' to ban on 'Ho, ho, ho' (Sydney Daily Telegraph) When kids hear Santa Claus bellow, "Ho, ho, ho," is their first thought prostitution? That concern has prompted an attempt to gag the traditional greeting, and many Santas are now fighting back. According to the Sydney Daily Telegraph, Santas across Australia are rebelling against attempts to change their saying to a more politically correct, "ha, ha, ha." It all started when the recruitment firm Westaff – which has offices both in the United States and Australia – told its Christmas trainees that the "ho, ho, ho" phrase could frighten children and possibly be derogatory to women. (Story continues below) "Westaff has been a provider of quality caring Santas for over 40 years," Westaff's national Santa coordinator Sari Hegarty wrote to stores via e-mail. "Part of our advice to our Santas is that they should be mindful of children having their first Santa experience. We ask our Santas to try techniques such as lowering their tone of voice and using 'ha, ha, ha' to encourage the children to come forward and meet Santa. We wish you and your family a very merry Christmas." The directions have prompted some Santa trainees to quit the program. One told the Daily Telegraph he was taught not to use "ho, ho, ho" because it was too close to the American slang for prostitute. "Gimme a break," said Julie Gale, head of the campaign against sexualizing children called Kids Free 2B Kids. "We are talking about little kids who do not understand that 'ho, ho, ho' has any other connotation and nor should they. Leave Santa alone." Dr. Joe Tucci, CEO of the Australian Childhood Foundation, called it the latest example of political correctness gone mad. "There is no stronger tradition for children than Santa's ho, ho, ho," Tucci said. At a Myer store, where Westaff also trains the fat men in red suit, Santa could not stop laughing about the suggestion. "Myer has not directed our Santas to refrain from using 'ho, ho, ho' and believe the expression is an important Christmas tradition," a spokesman for Myer said. More links to this bizzarro world below. "I are Atnas Sualc, Obey Me!" http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=323480 Here's your Imus reference Cody. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-1130hohoho,0,4967311.story http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071119/LIFESTYLE/711190392/1005/LIFESTYLE&imw=Y And my Google search string. http://www.google.com/search?q=ho+ho+ho%2C+ha+ha+ha%2C+ban%2C+store&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS221US222 I honestly think it is an attempt to get notoriety. Beyond that, I would say, "get over it, be happy with your life, if you are offended, I am sorry, it wasn't meant to injure."
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  12. Cody B says I guess you are already at the top Mike..nice one.
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  13. annieander says I graduated from the University of Hawaii in Manoa (Oahu). When I graduated, the school was know as the Bows (as in rainbows). UH Manoa is set in the valley of Manoa where it rains every day, just about. A few years back, a football coach came to the school and had the mascot changed to the Warriors...he said Bows didn't sound tough enough, but with the reference meaning that it was gay, because the rainbow flag is a symbol of the gay community. We still call them the Bows. Most everyone does...that won't change.
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  14. Marigold says "If this helps, I am not offended by the fact that you are offended by the fact that, that other guy was offended:)" I love that line. It made me laugh out loud. I almost included a similar line in my first comment to you. To me it has nothing to do with the dollar or the media. It has everything to do with a city or town or baseball team or whatever changing some innocent plans to name a mascot and nixing the plan because 4 people chose to be offended about something that had nothing to do with the 4 people in the first place. Yes, the name porkchop is dumb and silly. But it is just as dumb and silly if I was Peurto Rican and I complained to my local grocery store about the name of their meat cuts. (pork chops) I did not catch the Imus thread here on MOG. This is a seperate issue though. (but similar) I am not super up to speed on the whole story as I am not a big Imus guy anyways. He was an idiot for what he said. Why did they even fire him if someone was going to put him back on the air? Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. Once again, I am not super up on everything that went down on this one though....so pretend I said nothing. :)
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  15. Cody B says The ho ho ho one is entertainment! I think the way media treats everything sort of the same..war,ho,ho,ho,porkchops,darfur,imus these things become interchangable and then people really react to the media and not the actual thing. Fer instance in porkchop land money talked...I think the "capitulators" are also to blame sometimes.. Dude, everyone has a right to speak..if they want to use it to say they ae offended, so be it..does the media have to run the story and call it a controversy? I dunno Imus..he used his free speech to make a joke, and those women sure used theirs..and they got his ass back..no one ever says that, but that is what they did. He fucked with them and they fucked him up. good for them. All's fair..should he be back on the air..of course, he didn't lose his rights just because he got smacked down. This is why folks should watch what they say.. Of course bunches of us get on here and complain about the prez all the time..how come he doesn't resign?
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  16. Cody B says Oh yeah, even when I wasn't living the culturaly Jewish way, Christmas was pretty oppressive..but Santa can say what he likes in my book.
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  17. I am says *Can we take this to the top! Mike, did you weigh in on the Imus/Rutgers thing when that was up on Mog? has anyone talked about his re hire..some find it offensive* Imus was out of line. He knew and we knew what he meant. The real question might be "What will the offended do after being offended?" Will that person speak out, will he/she retreat and soak in revenge, or will that person see it for what it really is, they are just words. I was the butt of many Nazi jokes. Did I let it get me down? Sure, once in a while. Has it stunted my growth or caused me physical harm? No. Hummmm, strange dance we have here. Looks like a job for the First Amendment.
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  18. Cody B says I mean I have to admit, I cringed a little bit with many of the first mascot things, Indians,Seminoles and the like...But then I said, hey, if this is what you want to protest, more power to ya'. No one better tell me I can't protest something, when I'm ready to march (legally). The media does fuel it and sometimes it creates a little discussion, but mostly people just laugh and switch over to COPS. Very few here really want to face the facts that these small things are part of a larger pattern of rascism, sexism, and a lot of other isms that we've got cooking in our melting pot. These little kerfuffles are just pacifiers..
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  19. I am says Annie, you lucky ass dog. How was it to school in the State of Sun and Surf?
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  20. I am says They are indeed, and you know the crazy thing about it. We said, "This is what we want." We do, every day. With our wallets and handbags.
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  22. I am says How long have you been waiting to spring that one on me? That is offensive to me. You did not!
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  23. Cody B says Ok, right now PA vs. NY Mog off at 30 paces. Ok..maybe just a 12 song wormhole I Am and I are going down..
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  24. Cody B says Dammit..somebody take over..I gotta go to bed..Happy Hanukkah
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  25. I am says Ah that's a shame. I was just getting warmed up.

    Night Cody. Happy Hanukkah to you. One day I will tell about my favorite Bible story.
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  26. Cody B says At least we share that...sniffle,sniffle May there be peace on earth. What were we talking about again
    Permalink posted 12/06/2007
  27. I am says I am still game for kicking your "Sasquatch" butt all over dis place. Your ball.
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  28. Marigold says Wow. I drop a comment and go to bed. I wake up to 13 more comments after my last one. What are we talking about again? ;)
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  29. Cody B says Complaining, Mike, the insidious complaining that is bogging down our economy and educational system.
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  30. Marigold says I like you Cody, your sarcasm and wit are simply wonderful. BTW, I am offended that you felt my comment was a complaint when it was clearly a weak attempt at humor and pure lazyness. It would be so much funner to talk about these things over a beer....
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  31. Cody B says Are you being sarcastic! Where is the beer? I like beer.
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  32. Marigold says I do not joke about beer. ever.
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  33. Cody B says So when's the Minnesota MOG Meet/Beerfest at Nye's gonna happen?
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  34. Cody B says I got some fam in the Twins...anyway back to the wormhloe You don't wanna fight tonight.. sorry chris but it is on.
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  35. Marigold says When are you returning? You went to school here right? I think Keith (ketut) told me that. Are you from here? Or just schooled here? Anyways, who's to say I will not be out your way? My wife and I are considering the idea of planning a east coast beer nerd adventure. Look for the Marigold on the east coast this summer!!! (maybe)
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  36. Cody B says That'd be cool. We have beer here.
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  37. Marigold says good. Make sure you dial us Minnesota Moggers up if in the area.
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  38. kristiana says "How long have you been waiting to spring that one on me?" Ahaha! Quite some time, I bet! Good one Cody. One of my favorites! The "Ho Ho Ho" thing grabbed my eye. Pretty funny shit. People are whack these days, for real.
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  39. Cody B says Who me...planning? Mike-You betcha..Maybe we could take a boat out on a lake or do a little ice fishin' if it's cold. I went to Carleton College down Northfield way, then after i got kicked out, moved up to the cities and lived there for 6 years. Basically, I was in Minnesota, most of the 80's..
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  40. ivylander says It has long seemed to me that oversensitivity is epidemic, and so is insensitivity.
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  41. Cody B says If everybody just knew everybody else just a little bit better, many of these items would not occur..or maybe it is just a matter of respect.
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  42. I am says I see your not playing around. Chew on this. Bringing the house down one brick at a time.
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  43. Cody B says alrighty then lemme raise you a house.. cause... ya see, in your case..
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  44. dondeluxe says we used to call a buddy of ours pork chop cuz he was HUGE.
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  45. dondeluxe says btw who ever makes fun of the portuguese. ive never met anyone who EVER even mentions anything portuguese, unless they have the urge to tell you when you first meet them...I'm not Mexican, I'm Portugese. Who gives a fuck....to most white people your still Mexican. Races stink.....when i was younger we were racist based on yr musical taste....I still do that.
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  46. Cody B says Me too, I'm naturally disposed to hate anything by a white artist.
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  47. Dzendvokh says funny ass thread here, with a wee bit of seriousness thrown in......... wish we could hang out over a beer sometimes, but then we wouldn't have the audio/visual aids huh? thanks Mog Folks
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  48. Cody B says It's been a hard slog to the top of the charts.
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  49. Cody B says dz said: funny ass thread here, with a wee bit of seriousness thrown in That's Infotainment!
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  50. fistula spume says All I gotta say is I typed out this crazy long response to this post this morning and then Mog ate it. I sounded so clever too. Keep Porkchop says the fistula house. I've decided that I'm boycotting and getting mad anytime a Hawaiian refers to mainlanders as Howlies. Be it in movies or print. Fuck em. How's that for getting mad at a 70 year old racial epithet?
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  51. dharmachris says On behalf of my father-in-law's Virginia planter forefathers, I'm very upset by this restaurant's name. Whatever.... This is a bit crazy, but not as wack as the no more 'ho ho ho' rule. (Though that does remind me of my first year teaching and describing the westward expansion of the US to my cosmopolitan 7th graders: "OK, now let's say Farmer Bob and family have moved to the prairie, and the new Sears catalog arrives. Bob needs a new hoe. He...... "---- cue laughter as the kids giggle..... ) Though I gotta agree with Cody that it does come down to dollars and if one person is offended, the company won't like doing it. Thats why Imus was booted- CBS or whoever was getting too beat up on it and it would cost them $. And now he's back, because ABC thinks they can make money on it. The only reasonable thing is to not listen.
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  52. Wahiawa786 says History is a funny thing, written by The Establishment, edited by The Winners, and read by the ruled. In this case, the word/phrase isn't the problem, it's the fact that it was used against new hires with Spanish/Portuguese names. Does "Jap" mean more than "short for things/people Japanese"? It's a loaded word among local Japanese-Americans, some who fought in World War II; it's a fighting word. Although it's caving in to a minority, I suggest that the "Steel Porkchops" would be invincible on the playing field and convey a powerful image in opponent's minds. Oh yes, about the University Hawaii 'Bows story, the rest of the story follows. The University of Hawaii's sports teams used to be called The Rainbow Warriors. Manoa valley, where U.H. football games were played is blessed/plagued with frequent rain/showers. Sometime in the early 1900's, the football team had a particularly good winning season, with games blessed with numerous rainbows. That name was shortened to 'Bows, then came a fateful road game, where an airline passenger commented on the rainbow lapel worn by one of the athletes. This fellow was gay, and assumed that the wearer was also, which created no end of confusion/discussion locally. In addition, there was a problem with U.H. trademark revenues from the numerous impossible-to-patent Rainbow Warrior clones selling all manner of clothing, etc. In short, a committee selected the current "jagged H" design for U.H. sports, and there were no more "Rainbow Warriors" logos from Manoa. (I wonder if Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition had/has that gay=rainbow problem?) Greenpeace certainly didn't care about their anti-whaling ship, The Rainbow Warrior, being confused with gay liberation. So, I've seen this question from several angles, but would dare to say: "Go Porkchops!"
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  53. I am says Mr B. is that a,

    If it is, your in some,

    Don't,

    As far as I am concerned,

    I'm just here cause,

    But before I go I just want to shout out a,
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  54. I am says Chris, there was serious slinging going on. Those other comments were out of line. Really, how do you further open discourse when your cutting other down in such a way? Wahiawa786, Great input. Are you like me in saying, "Just get over yourself and move on."
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  55. Cody B says Hey, it's your thread, you win! I concede the wormhole, the argument, and the large cash prize..
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  56. I am says Victory Lap! All in good fun. Don't really know the wormhole rules, guess I should brush up for the future. Funny thing is I applied to the Morning Call today for a database editor job, and my MOG page is on my resume.
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  57. Wahiawa786 says Go Porkchops! (said the Stainless Steel Rat).
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  58. fistula spume says I've got the logo for the new Ferrous jersey's. Not very sensational.
    Permalink posted 12/07/2007
  59. Cody B says That'll be on hats all over the hood fist.
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  60. fistula spume says True dat!
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