MUSIC CHATTER AND MATTER

Lecture Series, part 8A: King Crimson. No, seriously.

Posted about 1 year ago

I've covered most of the "main" styles of prog. The few remaining ones, for one reason or another, are styles that I don't feel I should include in these pages. Some, like prog metal, I don't really know much about, as I've never really got into it (not that I won't ever, but it just hasn't happened yet). Some, like fusion and, to a lesser extant, ambient music, are probably ones that many of you are familiar with already (probably not even aware that they were considered by many to be prog in the first place). Two others, symphonic and "neo" prog, are probably styles many of you are familiar with, as these are the two most common faces of prog (think Yes, Genesis, Marillon, etc), and since this whole series was started to introduce everyone to NEW sounds within the genre, I have decided to skip them for now.

For the remaining posts in this ever expanding series, (and there is an end in sight, I promise you!), I've decided to start focusing on some of the bands that either you might not be familiar with, or you might have some misconceptions about. The first one probably needs no introduction to many of you, and that is the band King Crimson.

I know, I know. I just said I didn't want to rehash what you guys know, and I think KC is one of those bands that many of you are at least in part familiar with. However, surfing through various MOG posts over the past year (did I mention I just turned a year old the other day?) I have come across many that really seemed, at least IMO, to miss the point. So I'm here to say a little about them.

Another reason I'm devoting a whole post to KC is because, honestly, there is probably no single band in the history of prog that was as vital and instrumental in shaping the genre, and inspiring future prog musicians, than King Crimson and its frontman, Robert Fripp. That's probably a statement you could argue, but I stand by it. In fact, their debut album In the Court of the Crimson King is often offered as possibly the first "real" prog album, but that debate rages on. You've probably seen its cover, if nothing else:

King Crimson was started in the late 1960's, and has operated on and off since then even to this day. Over the years they have had more lineup changes than the cast of "ER"; the entire original lineup was gone by the third album, with the exception of the guitarist Robert Fripp. With each personnel change came a change in sound. What started out very psychadelic turned heavy and aggressive by the mid 1970's, and after Fripp replaced the entire band with new members, they went into what most fans consider their best period. The last album, Red, was released in 1975, and afterwards Fripp disbanded King Crimson because, among other reasons, they had become too popular. I kid you not. As he words it more or less, KC had reached the point where so many people were attending their concerts, that it was impossible to acheive true communication between audience and performer. I don't know. All I know is that Fripp spent the next several years touring in small venues like cafes, playing guitar loops and such he called "Frippertronics" (more on that later). He also worked with a lot of rather well known people, including Peter Gabriel and, of all people, Daryll Hall. Again, I don't know.

In 1980, KC reformed with a partially new lineup, including Tony Levin and Adrian Belew, and a completely new sound, based in part of Fripp's new style of playing, which he called "Guitar Craft" They released three albums before breaking up again.

Ten years later, Crimson comes back, this time as a six-piece "double trio". The sound here was harsher, and was a blend of the mid 70's and the 80's sound. Since then, three more albuns have been released, the sextet has been reduced to four again, and it's been years since the last album.

Crimson has earned its share of criticism. The early stuff is, to some, laughably dated in all sorts of 1960s hippiness, and maybe there's some truth to that. I mean, check it out:

Not inspring stuff. But that pales in comparison to the legacy this band has left. And, to that end, I'd like to post a couple of tracks that explore some of their sound, and I would also like to post some tracks that explore the aftermath.

First, a track: This is from their mid 70's period, which as I said before, is considered by many to be the best. It was raw and edgy at times, and if you ever get your hands on a live recording, which is pretty easy considering they've released dozens of them, you will here what I'm talking about. I'm taking a chance, however, and posting a studio track. This is "Red," the first track of the album by the same name. This was their last album before the first disbanding.

Comments (15)

  1. I am says And no mention of 'Larks', bahhh what do you know?
    Permalink posted 01/16/2008
  2. I am says Once again I will expose myself ....... Chuck, I am a huge Crimson fan. SAM4 is telling me I have 346 tracks scattered about on my hard drive (not that it's any indication of my fandom, but it has to account for something). I really just want to say 'Discipline' has been panned as "to commercial", I say, "Crimson, commercial? Bite your tongue!". 'Discipline' grew on me after numerous listening. *In the Court of the Crimson King is often offered as possibly the first "real" prog album* Really. I would have never thought that. But your the teacher and I am the student. What do you think?
    Permalink posted 01/16/2008
  3. I am says Now *that* is head music.
    Permalink posted 01/16/2008
  4. Groon says Chris: I am completely, 100% stunned. Honestly. Not that I don't have a deep respect for your musical tastes or anything, but I just never would have guessed . . . that's pretty cool. Great post. "Easy Money" is such a great track. Did you know the squishing sound in the beginning was done by actually recording the band members sticking their hands in a bucket of mud? I always picture that in my head whenever I listen to it. I was going to mention Lark's, and maybe play part two, but the post was getting so long I wanted to cut it to a somewhat readable length. Really, there are so many great songs to post, it was hard to bring it down to just two. I didn't even talk about my favorite album by them, Lizard! While KC has never been commercial, like I said above it's easy to dismiss the 80's era as that at first listen, just because it seems so straight forward. But the intricate guitar makes it almost subversively prog. I think the Beat album (my least favorite of all of them) is the closest they got to commercial, but even then you're not going to get radio play off of much on that album. The "first" prog title is up for debate, really. Usually, when us proggers with no life talk about it, there are three albums that tend to get mentioned. That one, Days of Future Passed, and Sgt. Peppers. The last two usually get put in the more "psychadelic" vein, with prog tendancies sort of pointing the way, but for me, In the Court is the first TRUE prog album. But like you said, what do I know?
    Permalink posted 01/16/2008
  5. Dzendvokh says Of course you had to hit KC..... good post, as usual Groon. One of the characteristics of guitar craft is Fripp's use of a unique tuning C, G, D, A , E, G It is an interesting tuning, one I have played on in the past but not too extensively.... so this reminds me I need to check it out again.
    Permalink posted 01/16/2008
  6. Groon says Thanks. I didn't know about the guitar tuning (as a bass player, I don't worry about such trivial things as "tuning.") It's an interesting tuning. How does it change how the guitar plays?
    Permalink posted 01/16/2008
  7. I am says TMI, I dig.
    Permalink posted 01/16/2008
  8. ZZTodd says great stuff. very informative post. which era of King Crimson is Thrak (the album i have) from? i hope you're not planning on doing a post about Days of Future Passed (just kidding). i can't stand The Moody Blues lol. but then again perhaps you could change my opinion of them
    Permalink posted 01/17/2008
  9. davesonic says Awesome post. To answer Todd, Thrak is from the early 90's "double band" period. It's tied for my favourite album with Starless and Bible Black and their debut. It's interesting to note the members that passed through KC over the years and what other bands they were in. If I may be so bold to mention a few of the more notable ones. Greg Lake - Emerson Lake & Palmer, Asia. Bill Bruford - Yes, Genesis, Earthworks, UK, Bruford John Whetton - UK, Asia, as well as various solo projects and guest spots Tony Levin - Peter Gabriel, Anderson Bruford Wakeman & Howe, Liquid Tension Experiment, among many others. Pat Mastelotto - Mr.Mister Ian Macdonald - Foreigner, Steve Hackett If you check out Wikipedia you'll find out info on all the members and who they've played with, very interesting stuff.
    Permalink posted 01/17/2008
  10. ZZTodd says gracias
    Permalink posted 01/17/2008
  11. Marigold says I am so out of my leauge here. Great informative posts though. Thanks again Chuck.
    Permalink posted 01/17/2008
  12. Dzendvokh says Groon, I haven't played the tuning in a long time, I am intrigued again, I love alternate tunings, I'll try to do something with it this weekend.
    Permalink posted 01/17/2008
  13. Groon says Well, you definitely have to let me know. davesonic : thanks for the extra info. There was a lot more I wanted to say about KC, but I felt my original post was already running a bit long, and honestly I hoped people would add stuff in the comments! One other person that came through the ranks only to join other bands of note is Boz Burrell, later of Bad Company. Todd: the "double trio" thing you get on Thrak was an interesting concept that unfortunately never really saw fruition. Fripp had an idea of basicallty having the band break into trios, each one playing different compositions. Sometimes by themselves, sometimes together, interweaving their playing to create something else. About the only time you really get that is on the instrumental track Thrak. I don't know if you picked up on it or not, but during the opening theme you have the band playing two different time signatures at the same time, one half playing in 5/8, and one half playing in 7/8, occasionally matching up to belt out notes in unison before breaking up again. This happens at the end of the song as well. Other than that, the idea was never really tried out. Shame, really. Mike: all I can say is thanks for listening and reading! I'm not sure if out of your league means you don't get it, or you don't like it, but still, thanks for sticking around!
    Permalink posted 01/17/2008
  14. Reckon says Awesome post - thanks guys.
    Permalink posted 01/26/2008
  15. madrid spacestation spain says great post, i just picked up the vinyl _larks_ and have been steadily wearing it in. the lesson was well recieved, i can never understand were their records are coming from with all the member changes and ideology turn arounds, thanks for laying this down
    Permalink posted 01/26/2008

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