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Lecture Series, part 5: Krautrock

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    Picnic On A Frozen River, Deuxieme Tableux
Krautrock. Out of all the genres I've discussed so far, no doubt this is the one that the majority of you loyal readers out there will be familiar with. This is the genre of Can, of Neu!, of Tangerine Dream, and without a doubt is the progressive style that has the most street cred. It certainly has been a huge influence on music from the 70's through today, and because of that it seems that some people are a little uncomfortable when it gets included in the likes of the rest of the prog scene."Surely," they say, "you can't lump in such an influential scene with the likes of Magma, Univers Zero, or that Caravan crap you were belting out before?" (slight Billy Idol sneer as they prepare their wits for an Argument, ready to defend their position to their last breath. How can I dare suggest that music they actually like is related, in some way to the pretentious snobbery of the progressive rock scene?)Slight exaggeration there, to be sure, but not as much as you'd think. If you go back to my "original post":http://mog.com/Groon/blog_post/128786, though, you'd see that this huge array of musicians easily fits within the definition I began with: any musical act that tries to stretch the boundaries of what has been done before. I think we can all agree that the German artists of the day definitely did that, and then some!So, having won said argument, and being magnanimous towards those I so justifiably put in their place, let us continue.As I was saying, krautrock: another geographically inpsired name, referring not to a style but rather to all the German musicians doing cutting edge music, primarily during the 1970's, but stretching a bit before and after that, as well. There are really several distinctive styles amd sub-groups, as well. You have the more typical prog sound, in bands like Eloy, the "Berlin School," which was mostly synthesizer and early electronic recordings, such as Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schultze, (Cluster might fit in this as well, though there is some argument against that). You have the more driven "motorik" sound of Neu! and Kraftwerk, the psychadelic like Amon Duul II, the ethereal like Popol Vuh, fusion and jazz such as Guru Guru and Can, and the really avant-garde such as Faust. All under one umbrella term. Really, there is so much information available on the web, and no doubt many of you know more about that I do. Rather than try to "school" you on all the ins and outs, let me get straight to the music. After, I plan on giving some links of places you can check out.So, let's get to the music, shall we? I almost feel like I should start out with a Can song, but you'll be able to find some of that in the links I plan on posting. Instead, I'd like to tickle your ears with my favorite of the krautrock groups, Faust. I absolutely hated these guys when I first heard them. Their first album stil goes down as one of the hardest listens I've ever heard. Each album gets a little easier to digest, and by their fourth album they had almost started to produce somewhat "normal" music. The more you listen to it, though, the more you know it's just as subversive as their original recordings. They broke up shortly after this album came out, but reformed in the 1990s, and are still putting out great music, although their sound now is very electronic and experimental. This song is called "Picnic on a Frozen River," but from what I understand that's due to a typo and screw up no the track listing. It was really suppposed to be called "Giggy Smile." (which is what the next song is called. Confused? Not that big a deal, so don't worry about it.)
Since krautrock is well represented on the web and MOG, I’ve gathered some links to share:"The wikipedia article on krautrock":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock."The krautrock album database":http://www.geocities.com/krautrockgroup/. Includes a large list of bands and albums, and audio snippets."Was ist das?":http://www.wasistdas.co.uk/. A UK site that has a lot of good info, including current news."The Faust Pages":http://www.faust-pages.com/. For all things Faust."Krautrock youtube extravangaza!":http://mog.com/Groon/blog_post/112996. A post I made some time ago."Faust IV: a first timer’s perspective":http://mog.com/Groon/blog_post/57283. These are my thoughts as I listened to this album the first time. I wasn’t too impressed then, but it has since gone on to be one of my favorite albums.The Spoon records/CAN website can be found on my page, just a bit under my avatar.In the comments, Guru Guru rocks it pretty hard, Cluster gets freaky, and if I'm feeling squirrely, some Can as well, just 'cause I can!NOTE: I'm having tag issues, too, so most of the players are showing up blank. Sorry. I'm wondering if it would be better to just let the red dot take over?

Comments (30)

  1. Groon says Guru Guru is one of the lesser known bands in krautrock, but they have put out some great music. They started more in the space-rock vein, but by their second album they had began to incorporate some Mahavishnu inspired sounds. That came to the front on this album, Dance of the Flames. The whole album smokes from beginning to end, but this is a standout track. Sadly, after this they started to get less interesting, IMO. This is "The Day of Timestop."
    Permalink posted 12/16/2007
  2. Groon says In my introductory post I posted something from a Cluster offshoot which was pretty beat oriented. This is anything but. Cluster was one of the early electronic pioneers. Their first album is pretty amorphic and unstructured, just sounds floating in an ethereal pool, if you'll pardon the terrible metaphor. What's interesting is that on this album there's very little synthesizer, it's almost all guitar and other organic sounds, manipulated and messed with. Not for the faint of heart. This is "7-38."
    Permalink posted 12/16/2007
  3. Groon says Can. You know 'em, you love 'em. If you haven't heard these guys, you owe it yourslef to check them out. So much great stuff has been posted that I will leave it up to others to talk about them. Go to the Can page and have a ball. This isn't their most incredible, but it's a fun track. "One More Night."
    Permalink posted 12/16/2007
  4. contrabandwidth says I'm loving these posts. Can't get enough of them. Great set of links too. "Surely," they say, "you can't lump in such an influential scene with the likes of Magma, Univers Zero, or that Caravan crap you were belting out before? Well as seemingly disparate as the two might seem, look at what the likes of someone like English Bluesman Eric Burdon did in affecting the West Coast music scene in the U.S. I mean War's "Spill The Wine" is really nothing like the Delta Blues via London of The Animals "House of The Rising Sun" - butt yet his influence was enormous. And who could forget all these "Krauts" influence on the Bowie/Eno Trifecta of "Low", "Heroes," and "Lodger". "Low". being one of my all time favorite albums, period, owes so much to the likes of Neu! and some of the bands you mentioned. I've got Guru Guru's "U.F.O" and I don't remember it sounding anything like the track you posted. That track is like Mahavishnu Orchestra meets King Crimson. Fantastic stuff, really.
    Permalink posted 12/17/2007
  5. contrabandwidth says heh, I said "butt"...
    Permalink posted 12/17/2007
  6. Groon says Glad you're liking them so much. I've been having fun doing them, too. I've learned a lot myself! Krautrock has been an interesting bordering on obsession for me now for the past year or so, starting when I had some extra emusic downloads and decided to get the first Neu! album. It completely blew me away, and can only be defined as one of those seminal moments in my musical life, changing everything I thought about it. The more I read I learn how much other people have felt the same way, and the influence it has had, like you mentioned. I mean, Kraftwerk and Neu! are one of the building blocks of so much of what ahs gone on in music fot he past 30 years, from New Wave to Punk. It's amazing. Are you on emusic, CBW? If so, they have a lot of good krautrock on there, specifically a lot of Guru Guru, Faust, Roedelius, Holger Czukay and others. I have 4 Guru Guru albums. "UFO" is alright, but as you saud sounds nothing like this. "Hinten," their second one, has some of the mahavishnu sound going on, but is still drawn out like "UFO." I think it's pretty good. "Dance of the Flames," as I said before, completely smokes from beginning to end. You're descriptino of Mahavushnu meets King Crimson is dead on. I can't recommend this album highly enough,. the fourth album I have is "Mani und Seine Freunden," and sadly it's pretty boring to me. Straight aheads jazz/rock, but not in a good sense, if ye ken.
    Permalink posted 12/17/2007
  7. ZZTodd says i really like all the songs on here. good post.
    Permalink posted 12/17/2007
  8. Pushbin says Really great post. Gotta love the Krautrock. Nue! 2 is perhaps one of my favorite records of all time. I was surprised to see that you did list Krautrock Sampler by Julian Cope as a resource. Before I picked up that book the only bands in that genre that I really knew about were Can, Neu! and Faust.
    Permalink posted 12/17/2007
  9. Groon says Todd: Thanks! How's time off from school treating you? Pushbin: Thanks to you as well. All three Neu! albums are amazing. My favorite is Neu! 75, I think, just because it has the most in terms of actual, structured songs. "Hero" is such a great track. Neu! 2 has some great songs on it, too, but is definitely groundbreaking with what they did with tape manipulation and "remixing," for lack of a better word. Did you mean to say I didn't list Krautrock Sampler as a source? As much as I love krautrock, I've never read it, believe it or not! I've wanted to get my hands on a copy but never seem to think of it when I'm in a book-buyin' mood.
    Permalink posted 12/17/2007
  10. Groon says I didnt' even know there what a website! thanks!
    Permalink posted 12/17/2007
  11. ZZTodd says very good so far. spent the weekend out in the country drinking around the fire with old friends. it was nice to get away from it all.
    Permalink posted 12/17/2007
  12. Groon says Nice. My break starts tomorrow, and I plan on doing a fair bit of that myself. Well, at least the drinking bit.
    Permalink posted 12/18/2007
  13. Doomsayer2001 says I didn't care to much for the first song. It was okay. The second one from Guru Guru is smokin! The 7-38 is right up my alley! It's strange and creepy noise! I love the sounds. Organic/non-synth is the only way to go! All my stuff is "organic" to a degree. I love it! And I've never enjoyed being more in the Can than right now. It reminds me extremely of Stereolab! Just not a pretty. I'll hafta post some for you!
    Permalink posted 12/23/2007
  14. Groon says Doom, I think you would like some of the later Faust stuff; it sounds nothing like this and is very much in the noise/industrial vein. I posted something on this comment. I'm glad you like the other stuff, though. I honestly wouldn't have thought the Cluster would be your thing, but I can see it now that you mention it. I've never listened to Stereolab, but I've heard they were very much into that driven, motorik type sound. Definitely post some! Speaking of posting, this is Faust from their 1999 album Ravvivando, sounding nothing like the above song. This album is all noises, sounds, structured atonality, and something I think you might enjoy more. This song is called "Four Plus Seven Means Eleven."
    Permalink posted 12/24/2007
  15. Doomsayer2001 says That is a sweet minimalist ambient drone track! I am guessing it's done on the geetar?
    Permalink posted 12/24/2007
  16. Groon says See, I knew you'd like it. I honestly don't know how it's done, but guitar would be my first choice. Even back in the 70's Faust was starting to experiment with noise generators, drones, and other aural oddities. It didn't show up much back then on studio recordings, but their newer stuff is all about it, and pretty experimental.
    Permalink posted 12/24/2007
  17. Groon says Okay, that came off sounding a bit smug--not my intent. Glad you like it!
    Permalink posted 12/24/2007
  18. Doomsayer2001 says Hey, when you're right, you're right. I didn't see it as smug at all. No harm no foul. :-D
    Permalink posted 12/24/2007
  19. Doomsayer2001 says How do you post the songs in your comments?
    Permalink posted 12/24/2007
  20. Groon says It's not that hard, but takes an extra step or two. What you do is open up another window, and upload the track in that window. Once it finishes and you have the song code up (with the squiggly ~ lines and the letters and numbers in between) just cut and paste that into the comment. That will bring up the red dot with the arrow, which will work fine. The MOG player that I put in above takes another little piece of work, 'cause you have to use the embed feature. Dzendvokh explained it better than I could, but I can't seem to find that post right now. I'll look for it and send it to you later, or try to write out the instructions myself.
    Permalink posted 12/24/2007
  21. Doomsayer2001 says I have that mog player, so I'm good. You described what I thought, but was not sure of. Stereolab post coming right up!
    Permalink posted 12/24/2007
  22. Klyde says

    Ah, here are the guitars! Faust just doesn't sound that progressive to me (guess it was released in the seventies). Guru guru SMOKES! Cluster...well, I first thought it was my coffee maker acting up! Then I began listening. I listen to a lot of Califone and can hear the possible influence, the sounds seemly rising from the "pool," yes. To THIS is could write a short story! And then there's Can--what a diverse selection of bands and their product. Great stuff, Groon. Just sorry I missed the orginal run. And this last (and later) Faust track is super. Have you heard Califone? I've heard them called "industrial folk."

    Next lesson...

    Permalink posted 09/24/2008
  23. Groon says

    Klyde, I'm loving your reactions to these, and I can say I completely agree with what you're saying.  The Faust stuff from the 70's is a mixed bag.  Some of it is pretty progressive, some of it sound more normal, and some of it is . . . well, who knows.  On this post I went with something a little more accessible (in an attempt, probably, to lure people into buying something of theirs before realizing what they were getting into).  Their first album, for example, is only three songs (very long songs) and I find it almost unlistenable.  They weren't progressive in the more traditional sense, they were experimental in a lot of ways, ways that now seem much more commonplace.  And of their original stuff, Faust IV is the most "normal" sounding.

    Guru Guru, as I said above, definitely made something special with this album.  If you find it, get it.  It's that simple.  I have quite a few of theirs and some of their later stuff is actually pretty boring, to me.  But this whole album (well, the first two thirds, really) are as good as this kind of stuff gets.

    Cluster is another one of those bands that are so hard to categorize because everything they did sounds different.  (and the coffee maker thing made me laugh pretty hard for a second, there).  This is off of their first one.  Later recordings are much more rhythmic, although I haven't heard some of it so I can't give a detailed account.  I'm glad you gave it a second to sink in.  It takes a different set of ears to listen to that kind of stuff.

    and then, as you said, there's Can.  sigh. 

    I haven't heard of Califone, but I think you definitely need to make a post on them.  I can't imagine what "industrial folk" sounds like, which is always a good thing.

    Permalink posted 09/24/2008
  24. Klyde says

    Ah, perhaps I will make a post of Califone. Unfortunately, that takes time, and lately mine in high demand. I am often amazed by the amount of time MOG folks devote to their posts and comments. They can't be building houses. I am a writer of books (unpublished thus far) and so work on my 'puter; still it is hard for me to keep up. Yes, I will poist on Califone.

    BTW, where are you at, geographically?

    Also, I wrote a somewhat length response to #6 (which I really enjoyed). It included questions, etc. Then my laptop went screwy. I don't think it went through...did it? Let me know. If not I will do another version (without the knee-jerk reactions, of course).

    Permalink posted 09/24/2008
  25. Groon says

    Well, I don't spend as much time as I'd like to.  Much less lately.  I realized at some point I needed to pace myself or I'd get burned out.  So I do a post or two a week, usually, but try to put a bit of thought into it.  I saw on your page you were a writer.  I've wanted for some time to do something in that area, but have found that I lack the dedication to stick to any sort of idea for long enough to realize an actual finished product.  Love coming up with ideas, can't execute 'em.  Maybe one day.

    I am in Charleston, SC.  You?

    And sad to say, your response to #6 did not show up.  Don't you hate it when that kind of crap happens?

    Permalink posted 09/24/2008
  26. Klyde says

    Hate? Yes! Frustrated by many unexplainable glitches I smack into? Hell yes!

    These days (for the past decade plus) I am living in the sticks, as they say. A small town in north California, population 300 (maybe).

    So your answers last night saw you typing in the "wee hours."

    And: "Pace myself." I hear that. And on that note: I was planning to work my way through the rest of your series, but after wrestling with a piece (as much non as it is fiction) all day, I am all done. Tomorrow it will need to be.

    Later.

    Permalink posted 09/25/2008
  27. Groon says

    Yeah, I tend to stay up way later than I should.

    Take your time--they aren't going anywhere.

    Permalink posted 09/25/2008
  28. Francis Ten says

    what a fantastic post this was - man i love can. 

    Permalink posted 12/25/2008
  29. Groon says

    Thanks!  Me, too (obviously).

    Permalink posted 01/03/2009

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