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I've been really enjoying this album, too...in fact I was thinking about posting about it, but didn't know what to say. Of course, any album with a song called "26 Basslines" has an inside track with me.

Smoker, like hot, or smoker like bongs, or both? I get the booming, organ moving bass even on the computer speakers. I gues the first one is my fav..

So what's the difference between Jungle and Dubstep?

Ummm, I guess I meant both Cody ;-)

I'm not a huge fan of dubstep, this one took me a bit by surprise, really enjoying it as of late. Jen, I'm sure you could have come up with something a little more creative to say than I did.

Hermes.... dance? Yeah, don't know about that one, but then again half the "club" music I hear, I wonder the same thing.

Maybe someone else can take you up on a more precise Genre explaner C.... Jungle I think tends to be a lot faster and more frenetic..... a lot of Dubstep has a characteristic lilting rhythm to it (not sure how to describe it), and often plays around with super low frequencies that are best appreciated (felt) with a big sound system.

It seems to me that all the "forward" genres like dubstep now or jungle then eventually start to grab onto elements of jazz (see the rhodes like synth sounds in Loose Synths). Like they start out as an expansion of dub/hip hop/techno and then turn to jazz for somthing else..melody? cred? I dunno, 'cause I surely don't listen to enough to say, but all the new club/dance/producer styles seem to start out expanding/improving/stretching the definition of prior club sounds and then when they face the scrutiny of folks beyond the club, they pull back into using older accepted, serious sounds..Thoughts?

I'll say again, I'm not trying to diss or dismiss, I readily admit, I know next to nothing on the topic..

Hmm, I'm not a real specialist on this but maybe I can make a point or two. Jungle was for me always a subgenre of Drum'n'Bass but officially and historically it's its precursor, though both words are quite often used as synonym. Both use break beats, both are quite fast (around 180 bpm). Jungle has more similarity to Ragga or Dancehall and the MC seems to be crucial, what is one of the reasons that I don't have much love for this music ... The same guy shouting, crying, toasting ... call I whatever you want ... the whole night - often much louder than the melody, that just is too much for me, too much of an egotrip of the MC and not enough love for the melody. Jungle began in the first half of the 90s in England, Drum'n'Bass in the middle of the 90s. A little later (~2000) there began a thing called 2 Step in England, that for me sounded a bit like a commercialized version of Drum'n'Bass. 2 Step also denominates the rhythm structure of Drum'n'Bass, but the musical genre differs slightly in it's rhytm structure and has more similarity to speed garage, a genre of house music. German Wikipedia says that, there is a shuffle on the beat, that is usual in house music, but very unusual for breakbeats (I dunno, what shuffle in the context of rhythm is, I just can hear the difference ;) ). Then the bassline was also very important in this genre. It never really made it to continental Europe, and even the British hype petered out somewhen and 2 Step was more or less replaced by .... tataaaaa ... Dubstep and Grime. Dubstep is all about the baseline but still maintains breakbeats as rythmic framwork, though much slower than it is usual in Drum'n'Bass and 2 Step. And it's usually purely instrumental. Grime for me sounds like a mixture of breakbeats and HipHop, though my German Wikipedia even says, that it would be a British version of HipHop. Dubstep comes from southern London, Grime from the Eastend of London. For me both genres are quite similar with the mayor diffenrence that in Grime you have a rapper and in Dubstep you don't. And: Dubstep is usually quite minimal like you can hear here or even more minimal than this here. My once favorite radio DJ - the Vinylizer - is settling since 2 years on Dubstep, and it bores the hell out of me. If you wanna hear more of that stuff, check out his > radio show There's a drop down list on top of the site, where you can select the month. Select a previous month and head for the red arrow at the side, which indicates, that you can stream the broadcast via playFM - you need a playfm account - it's free. There's moooooooore Dubstep than you will ever want to hear.

Well there you have it!

Thanks Hermes! I have never really appreciated Drum n Bass or Jungle a whole lot, although Fistula Spume has posted some stuff that I enjoy. I know what you're saying about the toasting bit.... gets tedious to say the least.

As for your thoughts Cody..... probably just a natural progression .... these genres emerged in a very narrow context with a specific audience ... i.e. Dubstep from the south of London and Grime from the East end.....that's what created a more unique sound, them being somewhat isolated from popular influence....and then when they started to expand they begin to draw on more widely established (and melodically interesting or pleasing ?) genres..... because let's face it, outside of a club, something like more typical dubstep, to the casual listener is probably gonna be tedious to listen to. (like Hermes intimated) Just like techno (something I am more familiar with), the successful albums tend to work just as well through headphones and at home as in the club. (the "club", of course something I am not overly familiar with....what you say? nope, no dance clubs on south Whidbey Island)

You're welcome. I have been a Drum'n'Bass head for quite some time but not any more. I just looked where your island is and it's quite near to Seattle. I was told that Seattle would be musically seen the hell of a town. So, why no clubs? Dubstep would also bore me in the club, when played for hours, the same with minimal (house/techno). After the sixth or seventh beer I can dance to this but no sooner ;). I'm too old for such "fundamentalistic" music, that disclaims all melody. This albums is quite good for listening to in the background. But as old fan of breakbeats I have to see this at least once live. I really wanna know, how people move around on the dancefloor when this is played. Will make pictures then and a post on that when I'm the next time in Hamburg (Dubstep didn't make it to the south of Germany yet, as far as I know).

Seattle has a burgeoning electronic scene..... when things free up for me time wise I will go down and make more shows, it's a bit hard with two young kids though.

I don't know from dancing, but it's mellow and it gave my subwoofer a workout.

Thanks for clearing that up H and Dz..

When an MC raps over dubstep music, it's called grime. it is sorta like hip hop, but it probably grew out of the Jamaican diaspora in England. dubstep almost sounds like jungle on a very slow speed. really similar elements, but slightly different rhythm.

As for dancing, i think it comes naturally once you've smoked enuff herb to fully appreciate dubstep in a club

thanks mollifire..... that's kinda how I pictured it ... in a haze ;-)

most awesome track! and an excellent thread to go with ...or i'll say that later when i come down the info overload. good job, Nick. (8