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Ok, So WTF Is Up With "Our Daily Picks"?

Posted over 2 years ago
I know this is going to stir some shit up but oh well, as the MBV song says "Nothing Much To Lose" here. I've been noticing that the same "moggers" keep reappearing on the "Our Daily Picks" feature on the bottom right hand corner of every page of Mog.There are around six "moggers" that regularly get their posts featured:WalterWeissMollifireDJ IviAfficianadoMr. FrostMichael GoldbergI may be missing one but that's generally who's on the roster. I've commented on some of their posts & they rarely respond back to anyone. I know Michael Goldberg is actual staff but the rest are either dummy accounts or 'buds' helping the staff out. I've also noticed that there are very few real moggers who actually leave comments on these posts.So my question is this, if this is the staffs daily pics, why arent' there more of us real moggers getting our posts featured? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the point of the section but wouldn't it be a better service to feature real mogger's posts who will respond to people's comments & promote the community instead of "newsworthy" posts that no one really cares about?It seems to me that the site is drifting more & more towards info./news that will "sell" the site & make it look hip & relevant to new members instead of helping to make current members feel that their contributions are appreciated. It just seems very misguided to me. The thing is, I do understand that the site needs to make money to survive & bring in new blood. That's just plain economics. Don't get me wrong, I ADORE Mog & I've met so many wonderful people who I consider good friends through the site. There are so many great musicheads here that know so much about areas of music I have little knowledge about. And we all come together to share those areas of expertise. That's the real beauty of this site. And I bring this issue up because I want to see Mog improve for everyone. So there it is, I'm done & it's now out in the Mogosphere.
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  1. RGM
    RGM says
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  2. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says Um, thanks, RGM, lol.
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  3. B42
    B42 says I enjoyed the "Top Rated News Posts" much more when it occupied that slot, you're right that "Our Daily Picks" dies not reflect what's really going on in the mogos and I've been pretty much ignoring it, this too will probably change in time. Mog On
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  4. deadmandeadman
    deadmandeadman says Your thoughts mirror other's. The MOG sometimes seems like a telephone pole where folks tack up their flyers and split. Advertisements disguised as posts increasingly try to sell us stuff. The sense of community is fading.
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  5. darmuzz
    darmuzz says Yeah it is frustrating when you comment on some of these Moggers' posts and never get any feedback, and then come to realize that some of them never reply to anything - but some "real" Moggers are like that too :) You are exempt, dj ivi (mwa!)
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  6. B42
    B42 says J- I don't necessarily feel that the sense of community is fading as that it is rearranging and the posts in the mogos just go by too fast to be appreciated and savored, D can see this as well and thus his idea of breaking it into genre groupings, but what other ways are there? One post per day per mogger? Absurd but that's about what it would take to get this back to a manageable level. It's all just too much! (not really, I manage and still love it here)
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  7. dermahrk
    dermahrk says Moggers who only post music, without much commentary, and never really interact with the community, even by responding to comments on their posts, leave me cold. Makes me wonder why they post at all.
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  8. doombilly
    doombilly says I always ignore crap on the front page and really only typically read stuff by my trusted MOGs.
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  9. mktackabery
    mktackabery says hmm, well August you dropped the bomb for sure. I have to ask you not to be too hard on Ivi because Ivi comments back, but the others I ignore too . . . I was taken in at first until I realized those posts were mostly news, news, news and I can get news elsewhere, I want something else to read, that's why I come here. I have noticed too that the "featured posts" and top artists rarely seem to match the things that I know the most active MOGgers are talking about. Prince? Coldplay? Umm . . . yeah. I know from my work that everything you see at the bottom can be manipulated. Everything. And everything that is automatic depends on a decent database, and I think MOG is failing. If it was working, you'd be able to click on "top posts with music videos this month" and see something from August, not July. If MOG was working, I'd get notifications about your posts when they happened, not a day later. I posted an HHT post this week, and nobody commented on it until the next day. It didn't even show up on my own page until an hour and a half after I posted it. I come here for you and all my other friends, but I have been coming here less and less because the site is letting me down, and I've noticed that all my friends come here less and less too. I guess we have to find somewhere else to hang out. Is everyone at lastfm?
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  10. nordico
    nordico says I'm totally with you!!! The whole point of MOG is to put the power back in the hands of the people so that we can cut through the commercialism to get to the music and communicate with each other. Very post-modern conflict....everything popular is eventually co-opted and ends up as a column in someone's income ledger. I echo your thoughts and those of others that we get most of what we want from our trusted MOGGERS, yet at the same time, I think it's great to bring this to the attention of the MOG BRAIN because I believe that they truly want to make this a site that we value, trust, and enjoy. Thank you for stirring the s**t!
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  11. Dale
    Dale says I don't know, people get out of MOG exactly what they want, or what they put into it. You've wanted to meet up with other music fans, and have done so spectacularly. Others just want to read along, so MOG HQ has given them the means to do so. Like so many of you, I also primarily read posts from my Trusteds, because their aims in being on MOG are roughly the same as mine. We're still seeing new people come into the circle, and some older folks step out. It's the circle of (MOG) life, and it's all good.
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  12. RGM
    RGM says ©2006-2007 MOG Inc. All Rights Reserved. MuzeMusic™: Copyright 2006-2007
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  13. amber
    amber says I'm conflicted here....I love MOG and what I've gotten out of it, the music and people and community. But it does seem that community feeling and sense of home has decreased in the last couple of months. I don't know whether it is because many of the people I've connected with have thrown up their hands in frustration or because the site is just too damn big, but it feels a bit cold out there now. I make a post and get little response. Now, this may be because I'm just not all that interesting but I wonder if my trusteds are getting notifications or just have flown the coop. I hope not because I think once the "growing pains" have stopped, we might be able to recoup what we love about this site. As to what you really posted about..."our daily picks " I never, ever read those. They are by people I don't know, who have never shown any interest in me or my posts, and when I did read their stuff, wrote about things I can get from Rolling Stone/Spin/the entertainment section of People. I want real people's opinions about things I care about. When those people are featured, I will pay attention to daily picks again. And I wonder also, how are those people are selected...hmmm?
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  14. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says *B42* yea the top rated news posts were much more enjoyable since they came from real moggers. *Deadman* exactly, I agree. *Darmuzz* it seems to me that the real moggers who don't respond back don't stick around long, since they don't seem to get the concept. And sorry Ivi ISN'T exempt. Just cause she occasionally responds back doesn't mean she isn't responsible. I'm sick of seeing the same people being featured Ivi included. So boring! *Derma* yes, I wonder why they post since few respond. *Doom* I do to for the most part but since they started putting the posts at the bottom of every mogpage I started checking them out. But then I started noticing it was the same people posting & not responding. *Michelle* you definitely have an insider's viewpoint since you build websites yourself. It's all manipulatable I'm sure. Yes, what keeps us coming back is our friends that's for sure. *Nordico* thanks, it's great to know I'm not alone in this. A very post-modern dilemna for sure. *Dale* yes the circle of Moglife will not be broken, so true! *Amber* I feel your pain dear and am conflicted as well. The news is definitely something you can get plenty of other places. I try to comment on others posts so they know they are being paid attention to but I expect others to reciprocate. When that doesn't happen I stop commenting. I find it interesting how when new people come on they comment on your posts but once they get a trusted base they stop cause they think they don't need to anymore. I will eventually drop someone from my trusted list if they can't be bothered to comment on my posts. Besides, the sheer volume of mog notifs you get when you have a large trusted list is mind boggling & unmanageable.
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  15. jackrabbit
    jackrabbit says well, in this short-list i never was interested in, i prefer the usual way, skip through all posts of the day. but, yes now as you say it, especially mr. frost fills my e-mail account by posting the news of the day. i often wondered whatelse they he does the hole day through, so, if it is really made automatically i would understand. and yes i often wondered why i did not get much response on my posts and why it got lesser and lesser in the last months. maybe it is the quality of my posts. but maybe it is the combination of several issues. first i only wrote a few posts in the last months, so nothing to say means there is nothing to comment on. but, secondly i think it is the mogiquette. since all this blinking features started, it is so easy to share anything. and at the same time the people do not have the urge to write, they better insert videos, mp3 and so on. it has become very easy. i think this lead to a decrease of thoughts whilst pics and music were increasing at the same time, and so i do use mog at the moment if i do. further through this masses of moggers and posts without content your personal post seems to be typically overseen. so the community grows, thats fine. but we have to be aware that the groth of users is limited whilst the growth of thoughts maybe is not. and btw, i think lastfm is not comparable to mog. it seems to be more personal radio . good night and rock on!
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  16. steve simon
    steve simon says i agree 100%, there is great content being creted that should be featured more. also, yes, a lot of the top posting moggers only post or respond to someone's comments on their post, but never seem to comment on anyone elses
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  17. brand X
    brand X says I've seen all that stuff at the bottom of the page, but I never actually bothered reading what any of it is until I saw this post. I guess that's my way of saying that I don't give much of a fuck about who is featured there or why. One of the great things about mog is that it offers me plenty of other shit, some of which I do give a fuck about. Presumably, there are plenty of folks out there who don't give a fuck about things like community and interesting people with interesting things to say, but they love them some non-stop updates about news-like things. I think that if Aesop has taught us anything, it is that you can make all the people happy all the time. Or something like that, I can't remember the specifics. Mog is the best/worst. Long live/bring me the head of MOG!
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  18. HelenMarie
    HelenMarie says Yay Augusts...I agree with you and a lot of the commenters. I'm not here to read all about the news so I just end up deleting mollifires non-stop posts. It just seems to be way too many posts too fast and with rare communication. I really enjoy getting feedback on posts, even it's as simple as...hey cool. I'm relieved to see others feeling the way I've felt round here. I'm a member for only a couple months, and there were some very welcoming moggers. But then there's others that are more concerned with what they're posting next, instead of appreciating what's going on elsewhere in mog. They're all around us in the everyday world though a huge mix of different minds. Hopefully it'll tighten up round here and become more interactive.
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  19. ciphermedia
    ciphermedia says I'm with you August on the Daily Picks thing. I just don't even go there. I've had mog mail from DJ Ivi in her early days, so I know she's not a bot. But I have to say that I can't really bring myself to read her posts - mostly because they're just a rehash of stuff on the wire that I'm not really interested in, and a lot of them are posts about gigs in the States, which is not much use to me here in Oz. I guess part of the issue for me is that I get (or used to get!) so many post notifications that I have a hard time keeping up with everybody's stuff. I'm know that I don't always reply to every comment that I get on my own posts. However, I do try to make sure that I at least respond to one of each of my trusteds posts on a regualr basis just to stay in touch. It is that sense of commmunity that I really enjoy here, and I try to keep it happening on my part. I suspect that more genre groupings would actually be a good thing if implemented in such a way that I could still trawl through the Mogos. Here's hoping things improve.
    Permalink posted 08/18/2007
  20. Lizziegreeneyes
    Lizziegreeneyes says A good many of us are in it to win it - frustrating at times sure - but isn't life ??? I initially was against the idea of sub-genres - I like finding things I wouldn't if I went to a "specific group"... I'd miss that - but my guess is you could have both. Sometimes it's really overwhelming (when life gets busy as it's been for me of late - that & a sinus infection from hades), but when I am in the groove - most of the time - it's one of my most favoritest places to be...
    Permalink posted 08/19/2007
  21. steve simon
    steve simon says yes ciphermedia, i thing genre direction makes sense. maybe a real, authentic supporting community can't grow beyond a certian size????????
    Permalink posted 08/19/2007
  22. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says *Jackrabbit* I agree. If you happen to be unlucky to trust one of those 'news' moggers you would end up being inundated w/email notifications. *Steve* aren't you one of the Mog staff? Yes, there are too many regular moggers who write well written posts that don't get featured. *BrandX* I see where you're coming from. Once I figured out it was the same people posting I lost interest. So boring. The give & take of people interacting about music is what it's ALL about. *Sunshine DD* Thanks! I do like to find out about the latest news but want it sprinkled w/thoughtful comments. *Cipher* Yes, I've seen replies to comments on DJ Ivi posts from her but not much lately. Perhaps she's been overtaken by the evil bot posters, hehe! I hope not. I can see why you'd have little interest in the news posted since most of it pertains to the US(like that's the only place music news happens). Like I said earlier I delete people from my trusted list who don't bother to comment on my posts(which has pissed off at least one person I know for sure) because I can't deal w/the sheer volume of emails. I'm also quite selective as to who I add since they have to become a regular commentor on my posts. *LGE* yes, I suppose I was in Mog to win months ago but got over it when I came to the realization that most Moggers don't give a shit about my opinions or posts anyway. Look at you, you rarely comment on my posts like when you first joined. I've also noticed not many people comment on your posts anymore. But I maintain that reciprocation is the best policy, if you want others to comment you got to get your head out of your own world & comment regularly on you trusteds to get comments back on your own. Most people will only comment on your posts for awhile till they realize your not reciprocating. I think the whole subgenre direction is ridiculous. It will only keep people further apart & thinking narrowly. Unfortunately since David thinks it's a good idea it will probably be put into play only to go by the way of the Mog chat room & the music news posts.
    Permalink posted 08/19/2007
  23. chucky
    chucky says Heh, I never pay attention to the stuff at the bottom of the screen because I can't even keep up with my trusteds anymore. There are so many posts in one day that I can't even comment on all of the posts I read because I'd never get through them all. I'm sure all the newish features are good to bring in new people who never knew and, because of the sheer size and the number of hiccups, never will know what a vibrant community we are - or, possibly, were.
    Permalink posted 08/19/2007
  24. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says Well, Chucky your viewpoint isn't too much of a surprise, since I know you don't keep up w/your email notifs. That's why I have to keep my listed of trusteds at a manageable size otherwise I'd not get around to reading all of them.
    Permalink posted 08/19/2007
  25. Michael Goldberg
    Michael Goldberg says Here's the deal regarding "Our Daily Picks." That should never have been the name given that list of "headlines." The purpose of that rss feed/list is to make it easy for people to see the music news, album and concert reviews and featured streaming songs. It should have been titled: "Music News, Reviews & Streaming Songs" There are many, many ways that moggers' posts are featured/highlighted at MOG, and many ways to filter the posts to find the ones you are interested in. MOG is not one thing. The MOG community is an awesome thing, and my sense is that it is stronger than ever. But the MOG community is part of MOG, another part is MOG TV. Another is the ability to have a "music blog" at MOG that is looked at by people all over the world, many who are not Moggers. And another is music info such as news and reviews. One of the things I do at MOG is focus on music news. We are working hard to be the the site where you can go to quickly see what's going on in the world of music. If, for instance, Neil Young or Thurston Moore or Les Savy Fav will have a new album out later this year, we want you to find out about it at MOG. I would love it if Moggers would post music news when they find it elsewhere on the web. Sometimes that happens. More often, a small team we've put together gets the info and posts it. Rather than look at this as a negative -- that we actually have people dedicated to getting music news onto MOG as quickly as possible -- look at it as an addition to MOG, an extra that in no way takes away from the posting done by Moggers. Also, I do my best to respond when people leave comments on my posts, and I always answer mogmail. Finally, I'm hoping we will either change the "Daily Picks" name, or change the contents of that list and put a "Music News, Reviews & Streaming Songs" headline feed elsewhere. Peace, Michael MOG
    Permalink posted 08/20/2007
  26. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says Michael, thanks for the clarification & response. I think you're right, a name change for that section is definately in order since I thought it was more of a way for moggers posts to be featured other than the post of the day. I appreciate your thoughtful response.
    Permalink posted 08/20/2007
  27. leftoverking
    leftoverking says rah rah rha!
    Permalink posted 08/21/2007
  28. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says sis koom bah!
    Permalink posted 08/21/2007
  29. Girlcrawl
    Girlcrawl says Keen observation regardless Augusts1 - appreciate the 'community' feel that MOG has as well.
    Permalink posted 08/21/2007
  30. leftoverking
    leftoverking says i seem to remember in the early days of mog there was a large amount of discussion about etiquette, moggers educated newbies, and took them under their wings. with so many new moggers it's harder to show folks the ropes so to speak. there was a time when people were chastised for using artist tags on posts that had nothing to do with music, or that particular artist. i don't see this happening as much either. i think some of the early moggers are leaving due to frustration with the fact that the cornerstone of the site, mog-o-matic, does not work very well. hence, new moggers aren't being hipped to the unspoken rules around here. as far as the new organization of the sites posts, it sucks dog ass, and i don't mean that as a put down to dogs. i love em. but i do still use the catch all rss feed to check out posts the way they were organized in the beginning, chronologically by all posts, not categorized into watch, read, whatever... it's still here for those who liked the old way of checking things out. http://mog.com/mog-o-sphere/rss20.xml
    Permalink posted 08/21/2007
  31. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says Thanks GC, that 'community' feel is what makes it all worthwhile. LOK, I hear what you are saying. I get on the "read" section w/the "most recent" of "all posts" Mogosphere to welcome & comment on others posts. I didn't get that under the wings help back in Jan. when I joined but I figured it all out anyway. Yea, some people like the new organization of the site(like me) & other don't(like you). I don't understand the RSS feeds thing at all & when I clicked on your link you provided it isn't a very easy to read format but I'm probably not set up correctly to do so.
    Permalink posted 08/21/2007
  32. leftoverking
    leftoverking says i don't what browswer you use august1. in firefox, using bookmarks, you can create buttons on your browser that are live feeds of sites like mog. when i click on the orange button for the live mogoshpere link a dropdown menu opens up showing the most recent posts made to the site. usually, i believe the 100 newest posts to the site.
    Permalink posted 08/21/2007
  33. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says I use Mozilla/Firefox(it's the best on I've found) too so I'll check that out. Thanks for 'splaining it to me. And from now on you can just call me August or Aug( but definitely not Augie, hate that, too cutesy for me).
    Permalink posted 08/22/2007
  34. leftoverking
    leftoverking says very well august. have a good one...
    Permalink posted 08/22/2007
  35. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says you too
    Permalink posted 08/22/2007
  36. dachmo
    dachmo says Hi! ...so, what’re you guys talking about? Did I miss something?
    Permalink posted 09/20/2007
  37. Augusts1
    Augusts1 says Hey there Dave, welcome back. You didn't miss much. Same ol' same ol' here. I went to visit my family in WA for a week & just got back today as well. Hope you had a good time on your vaca.
    Permalink posted 09/21/2007

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