MUSIC CHATTER AND MATTER

Response to BET's Hip Hop vs. America

Posted over 2 years ago
This letter was shared with me this afternoon.October 2, 2007Dear Debra Lee:As two of the so called "Nelly Protesters," we feel compelled to speak after the egregious presentation of "Hip Hop vs. America" on BET. Though purportedly trying to redress the sexism, misogyny, and materialism of hip hop videos, the program actually reified all of these by not engaging with feminist women panelists, or panelists that did not invoke a kind of celebrity worship. Once again the voices of young black women were marginalized in preference for a largely older black male voice of authority. Even the women panelists who were present were talked over and addressed less.It was very disheartening to hear Nelly completely misrepresent the events leading up to the so called Nelly Protest. Upon hearing about Nelly's desire to do a bone marrow drive on campus, the Spelman Feminist Majority Leadership Alliance placed signs on campus calling attention to his misogynistic lyrical and video content. Apparently, the foundation had been to campus earlier that week and seen the signs that the FMLA put up all over campus. They scheduled an emergency meeting with the Spelman Student Government Association and requested that no protesters be at the drive. SGA could not provide this kind of guarantee. The foundation then left the room so that SGA could vote on whether or not the drive could continue if, at the foundation's request, Nelly agreed to participate in a forum to address student concerns. Despite a unanimous vote to continue with the drive under the new stipulations, when the foundation came back they had already decided to cancel the drive. Our intention was to do exactly what Nelly stated on the program. We planned to have him come to campus and meet with a small group of concerned students, something he was unwilling to do. Not only that, we still had a bone marrow drive and all the students initially involved registered to donate bone marrow! The foundation was apparently so upset about this issue that THEY went to the press, saying that Spelman canceled the drive because of the video "Tip Drill."Aside from this factual error, both Nelly and T. I. continued to skirt the issue of their own responsibility. Yes, America is racist and sexist. Yes, America is materialistic but that doesn't make it right! That doesn't mean that we as black women should have to negotiate a world that has historical portrayed us to be less than human and continues to do so in a genre that should counter that stereotype.We aren't asking for "positive" images as we know that this does not necessarily ensure representations that reflect the multitude of ways black womanhood is embodied. But why is it that the only way T. I. and Nelly can talk about or depict us are bitches and hos? How does framing the conversation as though they are not talking about us make it ok? If you are talking about any women in a derogatory way it's a problem.We understand that to some extent, rappers are the puppets and ideological whipping boys of a largely untargeted white capitalist power structure. We know that Philippe Dauman of Viacom, Doug Morris of Universal Music Group, and Andrew Lack of Sony/BMG names aren't often mentioned when we discuss the problematic state of rap music though we do realize and wish to hold them accountable for their own culpability in all of this. Unfortunately Nelly and T.I. missed an opportunity to recognize their own role in supporting and perpetuating misogyny in hip hop on the program. Their role may be that of individuals, but it is still crucially important. It is absurd for these artists not to recognize their complicity. Seduced by financial incentives, these artists are participating in the production and distribution of these images at the expense of all black people.These images and lyrics, that suggest that black women are only hypersexual objects for male enjoyment are broadcast globally and are the primary images and representations of African-American women that people see. It reinforces stereotypes that white Europeans had about black women since we were "discovered" on the shores of Africa. Black men are portrayed as violent, brutal, equally hypersexual, and materialistic. It suggests that we have no hopes no dreams outside material gains and sex.It makes it seem as though black musicians can't rhyme about anything other than sex, money, and violence. We are tired of trying to defend hip hop when it becomes indefensible. We are tired of hearing music that assaults our very humanity. We are tired of hearing girls complain about being assaulted in clubs, or by partners, or strangers, of being called bitches and hos, of being cursed out because we didn't want to give someone a number, of trying to reason with record companies and artists and convince them their actions impact the daily lives of black women in this country and abroad.Now we find it is no longer a racially unifying act of resistance to challenge these images within the black community, but rather a divisive battle that pits black men against black women, artists and cultural critics, etc. The very title of the program "Hip Hop vs. America" presented a different agenda and encouraged this division which contributed to the defensive manner of some of the panelists. Spaces for unifying conversations and healing must be generated, where perspectives from women are equally honored and respected. Panelists who can speak to that sort of nuanced and complex conversation were not invited. What about hip hop scholars Joan Morgan or Tricia Rose, MC and hip hop activist Toni Blackman, self-proclaimed feminist men Byron Hurt and Mark Anthony Neal?We speak out because once again our actions were silenced and misread. We speak out because once again we are talked about instead of being included in the conversation. We speak out so that we can say we did, even if no one is listening.Sincerely,Moya Bailey and Leana CabralMoya.Leana@gmail.com--------------------This article was shared with me. I am not the author of this letter.

Comments (9)

  1. deadmandeadman says Your comments and observations are long overdue. How the minority community sits back in silence as this poison is sold in their homes is way beyond me. And its more than being politically correct, its about paternalistic racism of the ugliest sort. That having been said. You have the right to protest. You do not have the right to disrupt proceedings without consequence, and lastly, he's under no obligation to meet with you or anyone else who pretends to speak for an aggrieved group. He'd be crazy to engage you in conversation. Obviously he cannot justify what he does, nothing he could say would sway you, you just want a platform to vent. No one is under any obligation to provide you with that platform.
    Permalink posted 10/03/2007
  2. Cody B says I don't think the community is sitting back. I hear a lot of protest. I really think the conglomerates have a lot to do with what gets promoted the most, but the artists don't have to cave in. There are plenty of hip hop artists coming correct, but the majors don't push them as much as the bling- blingers. It's funny, back in the early '90's when the radio played more concious hip hop (Native Tongues etal), groups like NWA were considered refreshing for their bluntness and honesty. The times are changin' again. Thanks for posting this letter.
    Permalink posted 10/03/2007
  3. 2Serenity says Deadmandeadman - there is not an organized effort to let the world know what exactly is going on in the black community when it comes to these issues. We have known for YEARS and people have been protesting FOR years on these issues. America allows a platform to vent and so does the internet. People are just getting hip to it. I have been venting about this for 11 plus years online but no one listens. I appreciate you tuning in. Cody B - thanks for your thoughts. I highly appreciate the positivity and understanding there is another side to what is going on.
    Permalink posted 10/03/2007
  4. Girlcrawl says An interesting debate; well-written journal entry 2Serenity. Must admit, I do not make an effort to listen to American hip hop and detest the whole 'gangsta' rap mentality - I do listen to various European and Latin American hip hop artists whom I generally find far more interesting and intelligible. Do appreciate, however, some of the old school American hip hop artists mentioned. I find that American rap/hip hop tends to be both anti-social and misogynistic. It also contains a fair amount of blatant racism directed towards other ethnic groups especially whites, and that greatly offends me. Am tired of hearing how rap artists are 'puppets and ideological whipping boys of a largely untargeted white capitalist power structure' - seems the artists have no qualms whatsoever exploiting that same 'capitalist power structure'. Like it or not, the supposed 'white capitalist power structure' did not create the imagery depicted or write the script/lyrics/'experiences' for hip hop. Regarding stereotypes, I think what makes people so very uncomfortable with the subject is that stereotypes do contain an element of truth. It's not a universally applicable truth and the portrayal may be exaggerated, but there is always a representational 'truism' contained. The emphasis is usually unflattering, and involves an implied judgement pertaining to behaviours, tendencies, and/or attitudes. Stereotypes hold up images (a mirror if you will) that we would rather not acknowledge especially if the characterisation refers to a group, class or race that we identify with. Human nature abhors critical reflections or observations. Respect your stance, and think you offered well-reasoned, valid opinions. Not sure what else to comment on as this topic has so numerous layers and jumping-off points.
    Permalink posted 10/04/2007
  5. MrFrost says First off, this issue is extremely complex, and for me to type a thorough response addressing every point would literally take more time than I'm allowed to give right now. But my main point is this. Generally speaking, black people in america are behind the 8 ball for a myriad of reasons, and I agree that to some extent, artists like 50 Cent, Nelly, and T.I. do exploit a certain lifestyle for money. But as a black man, I'm not gonna sit here and throw these men under the bus, when they are doing nothing different than countless unnamed white men are doing in business right now, and in the past. How many billionaires has phillip morris made? These are the same people who will put a cigarette in a six year olds mouth to make a buck. Think about all the various white men making zillions of dollars from halliburton, due to a bullshit war. This is not an argument about race, I'm just aiming to give a bit of perspective on the culture of greed and capitalism in America. I just have to throw in the disclaimer that I'm not attacking any white people, thats totally not my intention. So at the end of the day, While I do agree that various high profile hip hop artists are exploiting negativity for their own financial gain, I understand it, for various reasons. One of the biggest reasons being, people like T.I. and 50 cent sold drugs before they were famous, living an illegal lifestyle that most likely would have landed them in jail or dead had they not started making music. If I had to choose between a black man illegally making thousands per year selling drugs, and *legally* make hundreds of millions of dollars doing something far less harmful than the "leaders" in this country are doing, and have been doing for years, I think the answer is a simple one. This is more of a social issue than it is a musical one. *I'm not absolving any of these rappers of guilt*, and I realize that pointing to other ills in society doesn't make these any less wrong. But at the end of the day, whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Taking young black men who would have probably gone to jail and making them successful members of society is a positive in my eyes, even though there are obvious drawbacks. I did watch the hip hop vs. america episodes, and I was happy with the answers T.I. and Nelly gave. Like I said earlier, there are a BUNCH of other issues that factor into this argument, I've only scratched the surface.
    Permalink posted 10/04/2007
  6. 2Serenity says Enough is Enough - Part 1 [u can access the rest on you tube for Part 2, etc.] This is a campaign against the power that distributes the music. They are using Debra Lee as an example. It is not against her but to open discussion and awareness that we as the black community that we are not going to take this anymore!
    Permalink posted 10/04/2007

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